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Sirotnikov is offline Sirotnikov
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Feb 2000
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Suggestion for formation of the IDA and Minister of Intelligence Office Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

IDA


Intelligence and Discrete Actions



Mission Statement
This secretive office is responsible for employing means necessary to help the Apolyton C2MSDG Team win the Civilization II game.

Duties
  • To supply the Government with the best information possible about our competitors, whether rivals or allies.
  • To protect the information of the Apolyton Team and make sure we are safe from rival agents.
  • To provide the Government with further ways of dealing with the reality of the game outside the game itself.

    Structure
    The IDA will be headed by the Minister of Intelligence. He is nominated by the president and this nomiation is put forward for the people's approval.

    The MoI will then choose Team members with proper profile and abilities to serve in the IDA. His choises will all serve under the same rank and will be left secret. No one but the MoI should know whether another person is an IDA operative.

    IDA operatives will work according to the missions assigned to them at the discretion of the MoI. It is advised to avoid cooperation and sharing information between IDA operatives. They should not know who other operatives are.

    Command
    The missions will be assigned and planned by the MoI according to the goals set forth by the President and the Government.

    The President and Government shall not at any time give direct commands to the MoI or any IDA operatives.

    The MoI in his turn, shall never disclose the way of work of the IDA.

    Liability
    If any IDA operative or operation is subjected to exposure scrutiny he shall lose his IDA status, and will be punished according to acceptable law for the offenses committed.

    If the IDA is exposed to have committed an illegal act, which breaches the trust and rules of the C2MSDG, the current IDA shall be dismantled, the MoI shall be fired. A new MoI will be appointed and he will create a new IDA.

    Secrecy
    The IDA may at the discretion of the MoI at time commit unusual acts. It is responsible for the safety of the Apolyton Team and its well being.

    Due to that, it must remain secret outside the Apolyton Team forum, and preferrably not discussed once active.

    Furthermore, no operative or anyone pretending to be an operative is to be trusted.

    Operatives may not expose themselves or they shall lose status and will be penalised.

    If a citizen is approached by someone claiming to be an Operative and is asked for help - he should inform the MoI immediatelly. This is either a rogue agent, or an irresponsible IDA operative. In either case - he should be taken care of.

  • Pevonian is offline Pevonian
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    Brittania
    Jun 2002
    time: 05:21
      Old Post 14-08-2002 21:39
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    Good idea Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations: Deluxe Edition

    A good idea, if only we had enough players to implement it

    :0

    Darkness' Edge is offline Darkness' Edge
    Prince

    Jun 2002
    time: 16:21
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    I'm against this, for two reasons.

    1. It breaches the basic trust and rules that are necessary to make this game work.
    2. We have nowhere near enough players. We already lack enough people to fill the existing ministries.

    123john321 is offline 123john321
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    Boo!
    Feb 2002
    time: 23:21
      Old Post 15-08-2002 17:29
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    Suffering from ads?

    quote:
    Originally posted by Darkness' Edge
    I'm against this, for two reasons.

    1. It breaches the basic trust and rules that are necessary to make this game work.
    2. We have nowhere near enough players. We already lack enough people to fill the existing ministries.


    I'm against #1, you don't think there doing the same thing? I'm with #2 because for that reason.

    Darkness' Edge is offline Darkness' Edge
    Prince

    Jun 2002
    time: 16:21
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    Tired of ads?

    quote:
    Originally posted by 123john321 I'm against #1, you don't think there doing the same thing?


    This doesn't make it right. It just makes the game less likely to be a success.

    Sirotnikov is offline Sirotnikov
    King
    <--- Yes, It's a "kitty" in a boot.
    Feb 2000
    time: 07:21
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    Look, I admit, it may **** up the game.

    However, intelligence has been and always will be a part of gaming.

    While we can use the game mechanism to get what they are doing, we lack the intelligence showing us what they are doing in their own private forum.


    Second - we can not stop them from doing the same to us, whether in an organized fashion, or on their own.

    I think that if we do it in an organized fashion - we're more likely to succeed.


    Furthermore - one of the chief roles of the IDA will be
    quote:
    To protect the information of the Apolyton Team and make sure we are safe from rival agents.

    Meaning - to find and expose spies in our nation.

    And there would most definitely be such spies.



    Furthermore - the actions taken by the IDA are not necessarily illegal. I already stated that if the IDA is exposed to have taken illegal actions - the Minister is sacked and all the IDA members are relieved of duty.

    A new minister will create a new crew.

    If you are a normal joe, and while generally talking to your friend from another team he slipped his tongue - you can inform that to the Minister of Intelligence.


    Another very important role of intelligence is seperate truth from fiction (ie planted fake intelligence).

    James Adams is offline James Adams
    Prince
    Southampton, England, Uk.
    Dec 2001
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    Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations: Deluxe Edition

    I think that the game should be play at the highest honour level, so I think this IDA should banned!

    Sirotnikov is offline Sirotnikov
    King
    <--- Yes, It's a "kitty" in a boot.
    Feb 2000
    time: 07:21
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    JA - at some level - yes.

    Do I trust the others? No.

    Should we have the IDA at least for defense? I think yes.

    Zedd is offline Zedd
    Prince
    Of Morr hill
    May 2002
    time: 00:21
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    Listen up, I don't care if the others cheat thier a** off I will not have any part in it. Let them screw up the game and see it dwindle to a handfull of people who want to "spy" on each other. Additionally apolyton is in sorry shape for the game as is, before something like the IDA is considered maybe we hould get into the game????

    Every post i have seeen implies that the multisite game is dead here, and i agree. if we don't get the ball rolling there won't be a game. Cornmaster said that Game catcher is ready, If we make them wait they will loose interest or start another game without apolyton. We need our council intact and ready to play

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