16-08-2002 14:41									#1
	Adam Smith Foundation: Currency and the Iroquis Put an end to popups!

The Iroquis are the only nation (that we know of) that is yet to discover currency. They have 25 gold and they will willingly part with their money and a world map in exchange for our currency technology.
Currency will give the Iroquis the ability to build marketplaces and access to the Medieval era. If you load up the save or look at the foreign reports you will notice that we should not worry about giving the Iroquis either one of those two advantages. First of all, they won't build marketplaces anytime soon anyway. They have no luxuries, most of their cities are unconnected and they appear to be going nowhere.
As for allowing them access to the Medieval era, there's no need to worry about that either. They're a fledging civilization and by the time we go down to deal with the Abananaba civs they will have been neutralized by Rome. In fact, giving the Iroquis access to the Medieval age will mean they'll be able to show more resistance to the Romans which is a good thing because they seem like a future rival and we'd like to hold them back as much as we can.
On the other hand, look at the advantage: 25 gold. Yes, I know that doesn't look like much right now but when we get to our next techwhoring project every penny will count (techs are getting more expensive). Besides, money is the most flexible resource we have: it can be used in diplomatic actions, we can use it to upgrade units, pay for research, buy technologies or rush jobs with paid labor once we switch governments.

I thereby present this subject to the Adam Smith Foundation to debate upon.
Note: I did not make this thread a cross ASF/Machiavelli Institute discussion because I believe this has little to do with diplomacy. This will slightly improve our relationship with the Iroquis, but other than that it won't have any considerable diplomatic effects.

	16-08-2002 17:34									#2
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I say do it. Every $ counts.

	16-08-2002 18:17									#3
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Why not?

	16-08-2002 18:25									#4
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Exactly.
I suggest we do this first thing the next time the game is played.

	16-08-2002 18:29									#5
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Oh, and sorry for misspelling Iroquois.

	16-08-2002 19:21									#6
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Good work Shiber! This is a great idea.

	16-08-2002 20:49									#7
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Excellent suggestions. I give it a . One of the first things I will do as the new Econ Minister is to push for us to trade with the Iroquois. It will get us money, as well as gain us a possible friend. We could use some assistance down in Abanaba Minor.

	16-08-2002 21:01									#8
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We should do our best to help the Iroquois, the Russians and the Babylonians so we can hold off Rome as much as possible (which are already annoyed with us and will soon control Abananaba Minor IMHO).

	16-08-2002 21:09									#9
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I don't know, the Russians might be a problem pretty soon, I say we help the Iroquois, and then see who emerges triumphant in the first major war down there.

	16-08-2002 21:16									#10
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I'm all for it. They NEED currency, I'm getting tired of trading for them useless beads........

	16-08-2002 21:17									#11
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Yeah, go ahead with it. We can use the money, and anything that weakens Abananaba Minor as a whole helps.

	17-08-2002 10:20									#12
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Sounds like the plan is good .

Not trying to push anyone, but just to keep things moving -- any reason not to put it to a poll?

-- adaMada

	17-08-2002 10:26									#13
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I say do it. 25 gold isn't much, but we lost the German market because I underestimated the price the AI would be willing to sell currency for (the Germans had about 40 gold, I never thought they would buy currency for so little money).

Also, currency has a chance to make Iroquois better economically, so they would have more money for our next techwhoring project.

	17-08-2002 20:40									#14
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hi ,

we could give it , then trade with them , ...

have a nice day

	18-08-2002 20:28									#15
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Again, before it falls by too many pages -- any objections to putting this to a poll?

Edit: Also, if it is put to a poll, anyone know if it should be an official or an unofficial poll?

	18-08-2002 20:43									#16
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Anyone can post an Official poll once some prepoll discussion has gone on (it has) and with some specifics in the first post of the poll.

I will go and do it now.

El Presidente
MrWIA

	18-08-2002 20:44									#17
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Well... Donal already accepted the proposal and noone has shown any objection as of yet. When Donal posts this plan in the executive threads people will have yet another chance to show their objection to this and if they do then we could put this to a poll. Otherwise I don't think a poll is necessary.

Edit: Of course I won't actually mind if MWIA or anyone else sets up a poll.

	18-08-2002 20:47									#18
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Yeah do it, if we don't someone else will and Id rather see us have the 25 gold than some other civ

	18-08-2002 20:50									#19
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Okkay . Just want to make that good ideas like this don't just sink because they never get around to being polled/accepted by the ministers (something I've seen a few times and am getting tired of ).

As long as everything's running along without a poll, then I guess one not really necessary (though also can't hurt).

-- adaMada

	18-08-2002 20:56									#20
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-- OT --
MWIA, now that you're president elect, shouldn't you change your sig accordingly?