18-08-2002 10:47									#1
	Punishment Spheres... Support Apolyton

I have heard some parties say they will build PS in bases with a populaiton of 1 as a penal colony, now that does not make sense to me, if you have drones in a base then that is primarily because drones are "created" when a certain pop is hit, and some are created when there are units out on patrol.

Now if peopk are saying that if there is a Drone riot that we just build a colony pod and transfer them to the penal colony that makes no sense to me, since the next time that base hits the pop mark that made the drone (of course it can be postponed by facilities but when even they dont work) then there will just be new drones.

If you make a colony pod the "pod" does not have drones it just has 10,000 populace.

So what I am getitng at here, is how can one Punishment Sphere solve our problems?

(I alreadyt know about the tactic of getting a strong mineral base with a PS and using it for unit support, I am talking about on a day to day civlian use)

Last edited by Haon on 18-08-2002 at 10:56

	18-08-2002 12:01									#2
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Well, firstly we shouldn't be too badly off anyway, as being the UN we get empaths, or whatever the happy ones are called, with increased pop. Secondly I can see that by building the colony pod the pop drops below that that provoles the drone, so the problem is solved, for the moment. This would be a way of keeping an increasing population whilst maintaining the peace in our bases, but only the Punishment Dome ones would have any sizeable population, and they would be HUGE.

I haven't heard of this strat before, and it's kinda ingenious, but there are better ways of keeping the peace.

	18-08-2002 13:48									#3
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The only reason we'd want a Punishment Sphere base is to help combat the effects of Drones caused by Free Market to do with Noodles, extended periods of war, etc. Any other situations where there's Drone Riots, these would be controlled by Facilities, Specialists, and in extreme circumstances, Psych Allocation.

	18-08-2002 14:01									#4
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I never build Punishment Spheres in single-player (I like my technology points) and also never leave Free Market. You just need to be really, really, really careful.

	18-08-2002 19:09									#5
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i'm currently in 3 wars under market in SP. No problems, just using air units and drop garrisons. the pascifist drones aren't a problem at all with 20% psych, even with the university's +1 drone/4 citizens. IMO there's no need for a sphere under any circumstance (except that size 13 spartan base with 11 drones ) especially in the demo game.

	18-08-2002 19:22									#6
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quote: Originally posted by TKG IMO there's no need for a sphere under any circumstance

Ah ! You finally got the point ! There's no need to torture all these citizens !!
And for the size13 spartan base, We talked about that before, just give the base to a pact mate or to the one who originally owed the base (in exchange for tech, peace, or whatever...).

	18-08-2002 19:27									#7
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finally?? that's what i've been saying all along! that size 13 base was in SP though, so different methods apply here.

	18-08-2002 19:49									#8
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TKG you said several times we'd need a PS to make a penal colony, and I always said I was against torturing citizens in punishment spheres, whatever the circumstance is.

	18-08-2002 21:08									#9
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Pandemoniak, reread our thread. TKG has always been P4's most fervent atrocity-abolisher.

	18-08-2002 21:08									#10
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no, the penal colony woudn't need a sphere if it was kept size 1, its citizen being a specialist. and now, i don't even see a need for that.

	18-08-2002 21:11									#11
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There! Now you again, Pandemoniak.

	18-08-2002 22:03									#12
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I couldnt find the post I was looking for, maybe they dont exist ? sorry if I confused you with someone else in the P4, maybe its because of your avatr ...

	19-08-2002 04:08									#13
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But how exactly can a penal colony work in game terms!!

	19-08-2002 07:14									#14
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technically, its a base with many units supported to it, with a punishment sphere (only applies with police rating of -3 or less)

	19-08-2002 07:15									#15
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Out of game terms, it's a base where you DO torture..

	19-08-2002 12:22									#16
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No, it isn't. You're reading an interpretation into it that simply isn't there. If it *was* torture, then other factions would see it as an atrocity. They *don't.* Get that into your narrow minded head.

If anything, it's closer to the Electric Chair than torture. You have a problem with the death penalty for violent, dangerous, repeat offenders too?

Last edited by Archaic on 19-08-2002 at 14:12

	19-08-2002 16:52									#17
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who lets not go in to the deathpenalty pleaze

	20-08-2002 01:03									#18
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Out of Game : I prefer to follow DBTS advice, for once.

	20-08-2002 01:09									#19
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has the world gone nuts? what has happend? do we still need oxcygen to survive? i dont understand what is happening.....ah look every qute little gaints......i cant breath...everything goes dark........


p.s this is just to show my surprise at Pandemoniaks post above

	20-08-2002 01:33									#20
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Its just I dont want to go on Legal Crimes / Death Penalty with Archaic.