27-08-2002 01:22									#31
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Well, currently I'm playing an H2H game, where I've got 72% of the vote, yet my opponent has many more SPs and is pretty strong still. I'm the PKs plus the EG, meaning 4x the votes.

If the human player can refuse to join, then of course they'll refuse, unless it's hopeless, which diminishes the importance of the supreme leader victory, and makes the PKs more interesting to play.

	27-08-2002 01:34									#32
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MP is flawed in this respect, both IP and PBEM play. Only the first human after the SL election gets the opportunity to defy the Council. The others must abide by that decision. If the next human player is pacted to the winner or indifferent, the game can end before it should.

It's not always as you project, Flubber. Once upon a time, I lost an IP game when the University player built Clinical Immortality (already had the EG and a submissive AI Lal) The Hive (human controlled, refused to reject the council vote. I had two carriers loaded with PB's one turn from lauch range..a strike that would have destroyed better than half of the UoP's population and both of the vote multiplying SPs. Should the game have ended then? I answer with a resounding "Hell, NO!"

	27-08-2002 03:27									#33
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Well, then you should've hit him earlier, rather than allow him to get so many votes, Mong.

Since this is H2H, your opponent will always have the opportunity to defy the council, unless you decide to pact with your opponent for some reason.

There's no point in a surpreme leader victory, if you essentially have to conquer them in the first place. That's really just a conquer victory.

Also, remember that 75% of the votes is a lot of votes. Meaning, you should have plenty of time to prep for an attack if you feel your opponent is going for a surpreme leader victory.

Last edited by smhfan86 on 27-08-2002 at 03:40

	27-08-2002 06:33									#34
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Okay, since there seems to be some debate over whether or not the game should end if someone is declared supreme leader, I'll put the question out there.

What does everyone else prefer?

I'll change the rule, if enough people want it changed. After all, this is for fun.

	27-08-2002 09:11									#35
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I think we should be able to refuse man... in every case. It seems kinda redundant to be forced into surrendering just coz. of a theoretical flaw.

	27-08-2002 14:03									#36
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Not sure where else to post this, but Flubber, I'm still waiting for your latest turn from a few days ago. I'm guessing you forgot to attach it to your email.

	27-08-2002 14:22									#37
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He forgot to attach the file for one of our games once too. Just email him back if that happens and ask for a resend.

It happens to all of us once in a while. Although, I always use the zip feature in windows explorer, so the only problem I have is sending it to the wrong person.

	27-08-2002 18:39									#38
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man i am sooo desperate for a pbem game atm, will anyone play me?? (please!)

	27-08-2002 22:47									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Archaic Not sure where else to post this, but Flubber, I'm still waiting for your latest turn from a few days ago. I'm guessing you forgot to attach it to your email.

Why not just email me ??-- i sent the last turn days ago but you had emailed me with a message about being busy with some studies . . . There was no turn attached to that email and IIRC I replied saying no hurry or whatever. I have resent 2106 to you

	27-08-2002 22:54									#40
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quote: Originally posted by smhfan86 Okay, since there seems to be some debate over whether or not the game should end if someone is declared supreme leader, I'll put the question out there. What does everyone else prefer? I'll change the rule, if enough people want it changed. After all, this is for fun.

I have never seen the rule you instituted nor see any reason for it. If a human player is truly beaten, they will accede to the election result. However if I was in a situation like Mongoose suggests, I would be truly peeved to be declared a "loser". The game parameters clearly contemplate the idea that a player may refuse to accept a supreme leader declaration and I see no reason to tinker with that.

	27-08-2002 23:58									#41
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Very well,

I'll change the rule back to what's normally accepted since there's a consensus to do so.

	17-10-2002 00:33									#42
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Congrats to Flubber for beating me in game #2.

The standings will be updated in the first post shortly.

	17-10-2002 02:12									#43
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That Flubber chap is pretty tough to beat!

	17-10-2002 02:38									#44
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quote: Originally posted by Mongoose That Flubber chap is pretty tough to beat!

Seriously, I got a good starting position and two easy neighbors-- gaians and morganites to get techs-- In game # 3 its the opposite as I was stuck on an arid island ( not one rainy tile on the whole thing lol) and I suspect smh may roll me unless i can pull something out . Thats the thing with terrible game-generated starts . . . you can always pull them out against the AI but with a good human player, no chance

	23-10-2002 09:40									#45
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Flubber has conceded game #3 to me. Congratulations to me!

	23-10-2002 10:28									#46
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My last post was prophetic--smhfan86 rolled me good and I conceded my increasingly hopeless position in 2203

	23-10-2002 17:30									#47
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Well, let's see if I can't do that in Game #1 then. I still have to pay you back for that sneak attack in Battlefield Earth.

Oh, BTW, smh, would you be interested in leading the Hive against me as UoP in a H2H?

	24-10-2002 07:12									#48
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Thanks for posting the confirmation Flubber. You really are a prophet.

Unfortunately Archaic, I'm too busy with midterms and essays right now to take on any new games. I can't even play the longer turn games, as you may have noticed. I've posted to my delayed games, stating this reason.

	24-10-2002 20:01									#49
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quote: Originally posted by Archaic Well, let's see if I can't do that in Game #1 then. I still have to pay you back for that sneak attack in Battlefield Earth. ?

You may very well succeed-- Your position looks increasingly strong

	24-10-2002 20:38									#50
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Sneak attack? I warned you it was coming 30 turns beforehand!!

	24-10-2002 21:15									#51
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I had a feeling that might be the case. How about after November 7th? I've got end of semester tests myself up 'till then.

Well, I'll certainly try my best. A quick turnaround from when I was almost ready to turn in the towel after the AI came knocking early.

"Sneak Attack" by that it came while he was still Pacted with me. ^^;;; Bah, my newbie ass got seriously kicked then. I should've never tried to play you two off against each other. Still, I've learned a lot since then, and I'm glad to be finally able to deliver the payback.

	25-10-2002 00:36									#52
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Unfortunately, I won't be free to play any new games till early Decemeber. I've got to catch up on all the stuff I've slacked off on.

	25-10-2002 01:09									#53
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Ah. =/ That's a shame.

Any other takers then?

	25-12-2002 11:45									#54
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SMAC game #1 started: apolyh2h01

SMH(Hive) vs Archaic(UofP)

	28-12-2002 19:32									#55
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Is this tourney alive again and open to newcomers. If so I 'd be interested.

	01-01-2003 02:36									#56
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yup, it's still alive.

just post whether u want to play smac, or smax, and what faction u want. then whoever wants to play u, can do the same.

	01-01-2003 05:01									#57
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All right, if Herc is interested, I'll play him. I've got SMAC and SMAX, so either is fine. Just let me know which and we can proceed accordingly.

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	03-01-2003 06:22									#58
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Smac is fine by me. I'll try the Spartans unless Darsnan particularly wants them.

See I got a hood also.

	03-01-2003 12:51									#59
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Alright.

So SMAC Game #2: apolyh2h02 is Hercules(Spartans) vs. Darsnan(?)

Either one of u can start the game, just make sure it's under the settings outlined in the first post.

Also, Darsnan should post who he wants in this thread so I can update the games in progress list.

	04-01-2003 03:25									#60
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quote: Originally posted by Hercules See I got a hood also.

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, Herc!

For some reason I'm not getting notified of new posts to this thread, so wasn't aware that Herc had replied yesterday. I'll take Uni's.
Herc: do you want to set up the game, or shall I?

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