19-08-2002 04:20									#1
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I'll be GMing Apolyton Royale II, the proud successor to Saxony which was amazingly fun.

If we can get 9 players together we'll to 1600 like last time: http://w1.132.telia.com/~u13214882/1600_24C.gif
http://w1.132.telia.com/~u13214882/STARTING.htm

if we can't I'd like to do heptarchy:
http://web.libertysurf.se/baches/hepdev3.htm
http://web.libertysurf.se/baches/hepivst.gif

rulers are here:
http://www.geocities.com/lordstone1/saxony/rules.htm
http://www.variantbank.com/mirrors/royale.htm
please post prefs for both of the maps.

Also nominations for names less prosiac then Saxony Dip are beeing accepted. How about Breeders Cup?

Last edited by Bosh on 19-08-2002 at 04:31

	19-08-2002 06:12									#2
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I'm in. Thanks for GMing Boshko

	19-08-2002 06:51									#3
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I'm in. Preferences sent. I prefer the 1600 map, but the other one is cool too. I think we actually have a player roster set and waiting on a GM for this. Perhaps we should confirm it with them before grabbing newbies. No offense, but this variant will require DEDICATED players!

	19-08-2002 06:54									#4
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oh and here's the revised 1600 map that LS1 and SF fixed up a bit
http://www.geocities.com/lordstone1...saxonystart.gif

here's an interesting article that'll give you a bit of the flavour of the game:
http://devel.diplom.org/Zine/S1997M/Pitre/Royale.html

Here's a rough idea of nine families that could be used, want feedback on them to ensure that they're balanced:

the first number is leadership/guile, the second is constitution:

The Ugly Ducklings
Age 25 King -2/+1
Age 25 Queen -2/0
Age 10 Daughter of King -1/+1
Age 10 Daughter of King -1/0
Age 10 Daughter of King -1/-1
Age 10 Daughter of King -2/+2
Age 40 Priest, Uncle of King 0/0

The Godly
Age 25 King -1/+1
Age 15 Queen +2/-1
Age 25 brother of king, Priest 0/0
Age 35 brother of king, Bishop +1/-1

The Boys
Age 15 King 0/+1
Age 15 brother of King +2/0
Age 15 brother of King, Priest -1/-1

The Simpsons
Age 65 father of King (counts as skipped) -1/-1
Age 30 King -2/+1
Age 30 Queen 0/0
Age 10 Son of King +1/0
Age 5 Daughter of King +2/0
Age 5 Daughter of King 0/0

Leave it to Beaver
Age 35 King +1/+1
Age 35 Queen +1/0
Age 15 Son -1/+1
Age 10 Son -2/-1

The In-laws
Age 20 King 0/+1
Age 20 Queen +1/0
Age 45 Father of Queen -1/0
Age 45 Mother of Queen -1/0
Age 25 Priest Brother of Queen 0/0

All in the Family
Age 30 King +2/0
Age 25 Queen 0/0
Age 5 Son +1/-2

Clintons
Age 50 King +2/+1
Age 50 Queen +1/+1
Age 15 Daughter of Queen +1/+1
Age 40 Brother of King -2/+2
Age 5 son of King 0/0 (bubba's secret love child, counts above Chelsea but below any future Clinton sons for succession)

The Family Guy
Age 30 King -2/-1
Age 30 Queen +1/0
Age 20 Son of King -2/-1
Age 15 Daughter of King 0/0
Age 5 Son of King +2/-1

Last edited by Bosh on 20-08-2002 at 20:52

	19-08-2002 07:11									#5
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I preffer 1600, especially the v2.51 map that we used for Saxony. It has some minor changes for game balance, I forget what, but they were cool.

Prefs:

Austria
France
Sweden
England
Denmark
Ottomans
Russia
Spain

Heptarchy:

(Looks at his flag for a bit...)
Wales
Anglia
Cornwall
Scotland
Northumbria
Mercia
Eire

	19-08-2002 07:14									#6
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L/G-C
Leave it to Beaver
Age 35 King +1/+1
Age 35 Queen +1/0
Age 15 Son -1/+1
Age 10 Son -2/-1
Age 15 Bishop (Eddie ) +1/-1

	19-08-2002 07:19									#7
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L/G-C
All in the Family
Age 55 Father of Queen -2/-1
Age 50 Mother of Queen +2/0
Age 30 King +2/0
Age 25 Queen 0/0
Age 5 Son +1/-2

	19-08-2002 13:57									#8
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I can't quite get the map up of Heptarchy, (might have to go to Dip pouch), but for 1600 I'll go with

1. Ottoman Empire
2. England
3. Spain
4. France
5. Hapsburg
6. Denmark
7. Sweden
8. Russia
9. Poland

from the one I was able to get from Dip pouch, I'll go with
1. Cornubia
2. Scotland
3. Ireland
4. Anglia
5. Wales
6. Northumbria
7. Mercia

I'll also have to go over dip royale rules before I choose a family.

Last edited by Thucydides on 19-08-2002 at 14:09

	19-08-2002 14:34									#9
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I'll go with
1.The Family Guy
2.The Godlies
3.The Boys
4. The Simpsons
5. Leave it to Beaver
6. the In-laws
7. All in the Family
8. The Clintons
9. The Ugly ducklings

I can be reached at
tshjones@yahoo.com

	19-08-2002 18:44									#10
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The Godly
Clintons
Family Guy
All in the Family
The In laws
The Boys
...

Last edited by Victor Galis on 20-08-2002 at 01:41

	19-08-2002 21:26									#11
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I changed the family stats around a bit to try to balance things out, EVERY family has been changed at least a bit, but the biggest change is the Clintons are strengthened by having all their ages lowered by five years and their stats increased.

Give me some feed back if you think any family is still under/over powered. Should I add socks to the Clintons?

	19-08-2002 22:00									#12
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only if it has the most leadership/guile of the whole family

	20-08-2002 00:58									#13
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added bubba's secret love child instead

	20-08-2002 01:52									#14
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HOLY CRAP, this game has a few more rules than the Standard game!

I think I may have to stick just basic variants of Dip.

	20-08-2002 10:57									#15
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Well, with what I anticipate doing, I don't think I'd be a very good player. That said, a player is better than no player... if you need me, I'll be here, but if you get 8 or 10 people, then I'll sit out and the others can play the requisite map.

I will say that the families are all a bit... big. I know that with the "small" families we started out with in Saxony (generally king, queen, 2 children of age, & some form of priest was a baseline), we still had massive families by the end. Which wasn't even supposed to be the end of the game. And that was what was driving me crazy about the game, all those people to marry off (Saxony hint: marrying is almost always good. As early as possible, preferably 15.). It also makes the initial choices a bit less interesting- if I only have 2 children, that's only 2 alliances I can secure at first- at most. It also means no mistreatment of wives if you want your alliance to stand (later in the game, the Swedes & Ottomans had a nice daughter exchange program so we were bound up with about 5 marriages with the same terms. How many kids do I want from these expendable marriages? Lots. And it's useful for breaking alliances too, say you want 4 kids from the wife- you'll get lots of nobles, a good thing, and stand a good chance of getting rid of the alliance). That said, I ain't the GM, and might not even be a player, so you do what you feel is best Boshko. Just beware the population explosion (and the plauge is unfortunately a pretty arbitrary way to keep things in check).

As for names, if we do Heptarchy, we can always follow in the Saxony tradition of naming it after a random neutral province that sounds cool. Cumbria, Norwich, & Dyfed all sound neat, to me at least.

My prefs, should they become relevant:
Heptarchy: Wales, Cornubria, Anglia, Ireland, Mercia. Not Scotland (played before).
1600: Denmark, Russia, England, Poland, Spain, France. Not Sweden, Ottomans, or Austria (all played before)

	20-08-2002 16:43									#16
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Ah... but Saxony became a key province that was fought over for several decades, we must look forward into the future and find a similar place on the map

	20-08-2002 17:35									#17
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OK hacked the families down to size, probably threw balance a bit off but I can work on that on my lunch break.

	20-08-2002 18:44									#18
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You should give more families clergy. No clergy = no marriage to a family also without clergy.

	20-08-2002 18:49									#19
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Why why why now and not a year ago when I still had time to dip!

:cry:

	20-08-2002 20:53									#20
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OK, added back one priest. Having a clergy shortage encourages families with extra males to send a family member into the clergy and keeps there from being too much growth.

	21-08-2002 03:26									#21
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quote: Why why why now and not a year ago when I still had time to dip!

-Haha, you think you don't have time... (of course there is a remote possibility you have a worse schedule than I do, but that would involve about 70+ hours a week of work).