16-04-2000 11:45									#1
	New 8 Player tournament Support Apolyton, buy Alpha Centauri

I am starting a 8 player tournament

This will not be PBEM. instead it will be played online.
It will be one vs. one best of three games.
The settings are as follows.
MAP
Size - Small
wet - 3
warm - 6
ocean - 6
island - 7
uniform - 7
goods - 4

OTHER
Diff - Deity
Settlers - 3
Gold - 100
Ages - anceint to Diamond
World - Donut World
Dynamic join - on (in case some one is dropped)
AutoSave - On
Pollution - On
Bloodlust - Off (I don't think anyone will win with out killing the other)

EXCLUSIONS
all wonders excluded

There will be as stated before eight players. The winner of 1 and 2 will face winner of 3 and 4 while winner of 5 and 6 faces 7 and 8. The losers will also face each other so that a correct ranking.
The matches will be best of 3 games so if you get bad starting loc you can get another chance.

I will listen to any suggestings and answer any questions.
[This message has been edited by Shavlor (edited April 16, 2000).]

	16-04-2000 11:54									#2
	Increase the size of your Attachments

Sure Im in

Nick: Sophix
Timezone: -5 Gmt (EST)
Email: Sophix@pmail.net
Civ: Egyptian

Just so every knows, CTP is alot less time consuming when it's Online vs. PBEM

	16-04-2000 14:44									#3
	Support Apolyton, buy Alpha Centauri

I'm also interested.

I just have the problem, that I can't enter the lobby of the multiplayer-game. The ping to uk1, us1 and us2 works, but that is all.
I'm just trying to fix this (anybody knows about this problem)

Location: Germany
Civ: Inka
eMail: Aaginor@T-Online.de
ICQ: 55791566

Frank

	16-04-2000 16:20									#4
	Support Apolyton or Terrorists Win

I have the same problem if I try to enter a server with ping in the red (400+). BTW, I'll play, I love playing CTP online.

I see I should grab a civ before my favs are gone. I'll be the Mongols.
[This message has been edited by Swissy (edited April 17, 2000).]

	17-04-2000 03:49									#5
	Remove this text

Good to have you guys.
I have decided to use this tornament to start a ladder. Obviously the order would be astablish by the tornament. If anyone else wants to join the ladder they would join on the bottom. But I am getting ahead of myself
I hope we can get 8 players...

PS: Each set of games will have at least a week for compeletion. So everyone should play in three sets of games. max number is 9 games and at least 6 games.

Players: Please state your rank (what you think you are) at Multi Player, Cheiftain to Diety

I am King (I think )

	17-04-2000 05:18									#6
	Increase Your PM Length

Emperor (always play at diety) cause Im better then Shavlor

I don't want to play Shavlor or Swissy right away, cause Ive played you a bit, and I just played Swissy in Pin's Tournament.
[This message has been edited by Sophanthro (edited April 16, 2000).]

	17-04-2000 09:46									#7
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

I'd like to sign up for the tourney, Shavlor.

Human
civ : Russian

pls let me know if I am in. Thanks

	17-04-2000 12:20									#8
	Increase Your PM Length

I am in
I think i am a deity player, i want the romans.

(Are we supposed to play 3 games a week?)

	17-04-2000 13:53									#9
	Support Apolyton, buy Alpha Centauri

quote: Originally posted by Aaginor on 04-16-2000 05:44 AM I'm also interested. I just have the problem, that I can't enter the lobby of the multiplayer-game. The ping to uk1, us1 and us2 works, but that is all. I'm just trying to fix this (anybody knows about this problem) Frank

Hi I had the same problem yesterday, when I tried to play MP after reinstalling Cctp. I noticed that when you first try to connect to internet the game creates a file "servers.dat" in the Cctp\ctp_program\ctp folder.
In this file you can see only the 3 servers you names: uk1, us1, us2
These servers seemed not working yesterday.(I couldn't join the lobby although I saw the servers)

Anyway the solution to this problem is to get this file from someone that has connected some time earlier and was able to see all the servers (not just the 3 I already mentioned)
Pin for example has the file for sure. (I don't have it at home)
I am not sure but I thing this problem is due to some misfunction of these 3 servers.Maybe they where the first servers activision anabled and they tell to your computer the adresses of the other servers. But of course if they don't work they can't tell anything
Ah, and although I had a bad pind yesterday I could play without problems.

	18-04-2000 09:53									#10
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

Ok we now have 6 players. Welcome to the tournament Pin and Human
Pin I did say at a week at least. It will be 2 weeks. And if you really are diety like you say then you will probally only play 2 games in that time period.
Tilemacho thanx for the infomation. Do you want to play in the tournament?

	18-04-2000 02:01									#11
	Enter the AD-FREE zone

I would like to play too.

nick. Josip Broz Tito
level: Deity
CIV : Romans or Rusians
my icq is 33871065 so let me know if i am in

	18-04-2000 02:42									#12
	Help yourself to an AD-FREE life

I am interested in playing. Would probably consider myself King level for seeding purposes

I have the same problem with the servers, glad to see I am not the only one. Is there anyone out there that would not mind e-mailing the above mentioned file? I just installed the new Med Mod and thought it was related to that. Glad to hear it is not, apparently.......

Train
Trainwreck20@hotmail.com

	18-04-2000 03:24									#13
	Remove this text

I wouldn't mind giving this a try. I will play the Assyrians.

	18-04-2000 04:31									#14
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization III: Complete

We now have 9 players. unless we get more players Don can't play. Don you will be the substitute in case some one drops out.

If 7 more people want to join then we will make this a 18 person tournament.

Don even if it turns out you can't play you can have the first shot at taking 8th place in the ladder. Out of curiousity how many of you are intrested in playing in the ladder after the tournament is finished.
If you are in the ladder you have to accept a challenge at least once ever two weeks or you will drop a spot.
You will also be allowed vaction times in case you are going somewhere are something.
[This message has been edited by Shavlor (edited April 17, 2000).]

	18-04-2000 04:37									#15
	Increase Your PM Length

I am interested in ladder play....

	18-04-2000 07:29									#16
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization 2

Ok right now the 8 players are
Shavlor - King - Greeks
Sophix - Emperor - Egytains
Aaginor - Diety - Inkains
Swissy - Emperor - Mongols
Human - ????? - Russian
Pin - Diety - Romans
Josip Broz Tito - Deity - Germans
Train Wreck - King - Americans

Back up Player(s)
Don

Ok I am about to make the first matches. If anyone wants to go up against someone or some one whats not to go up against someone please email- shavlor@zxmail.com
I am going to place the best players with the worst players so that the ladder in the end is more correct. Note the players are being judged by themselves so the order might still be messed up.
I was thinking the first matches should be
Shavlor vs. Aagheor
Sophix vs. Josip
Swissy vs. Human
Train vs. Pin

This is can change if anyone has any dislikes to it.
[This message has been edited by Shavlor (edited April 18, 2000).]

	18-04-2000 07:33									#17
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

Sorry forgot to mention in last post.
The two week time period is just what you are aiming for. If it takes you longer because of time zone difference or what ever it is fine.

	18-04-2000 08:10									#18
	Help yourself to an AD-FREE life

I will take the Americans, I guess.

Will E-Mail you shortly, Pin, and try to set up a time.

I am interested in ladder play, I guess...

Train

	18-04-2000 22:37									#19
	Got spare money?

I'd really would like to start right now, but I need the server.dat file. I still can't enter the lobby and the tech support said, that the server are down.
"...I think I can answer your question however. We apologize for the
inconvenience you have experienced with this title. Unfortunately Activision
ActiveNet servers are down for an undetermined amount of time and you will
not be able to see them as a result. Again we apologize for this and hope to
have this issue resolved as soon as possible."

	19-04-2000 00:58									#20
	Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations: Deluxe Edition

Ok Aaginor can you actually play on any server?

I am using Pin's tournament rules.

The Rules are as follows
When a round in the group play starts u got 2 weeks to finish the game, and send a copy to me!
To minimize the risk of cheating i advice players to play at least 6 hours first day and that the game are saved in the guests turn.(remember to write down year your in when saved and advances you got more then the opponent)
I beleive that the games will not take much longer than 5 hours so try to play the whole game thru in one sitting.
If not
Both players should have a copy of the saved game and if u have a feeling the oppostion will cheat u can send me a copy of the saved game and i will solve any disputes.
An other thing that i advise u to do, is to save games while in a low combat situasion, in other words not when something critical is about to happen.
ANY PLAYERS CAUGHT IN CHEATING WILL OFFCOURSE BE EXPELLED FROM THE TOURNEY AND I WILL DO ANYTHING I CAN TO DO SO THAT PLAYER NEVER WILL COMPETE IN ANY TOURNEYS AGAIN.
Now away from the unpleasant side of competiting . When a game is finished i MUST have a copy of the savegame file in the turn it was decided + a very short summary.
+THE HOST MUST SAVE EVERY 10 TURN in addition to autosave
A little add on for crashes. IF YOU CRASH. U HAVE 20 MIN TO TAKE CONTACT WITH THE OPPOSTION TO CONTINUE THE GAME OR SET TIME FOR A NEW GAME. If you can't get hold of him send me an e-mail and explain the situasion. There i want name, match, reason for crash and time of crash. That means the e-mail i recive better have a time within the 20 min limit from the crash. I also want a e-mail from the abandoned part if the opposition fail to take contact.
IF U DON'T DO THIS U WILL LOOSE THE GAME
[This message has been edited by Shavlor (edited April 18, 2000).]

	19-04-2000 01:32									#21
	Increase Your PM Length

I forgot to metion.
The person who claims to be worse will be the server first. then who ever lost will be the server for the next game or two. When you play please post the results and send me an email of the savedgame after you share maps. or if you completely eliminate the other person then please just send me the last saved game.
The matchs are

match 1: Shavlor vs Aaginor

match 2: Pin vs Train

match 3: Swissy vs Human

match 4: Sophix vs Josip


The winner of match 1 faces winner of match 2 and the losers also face.
The winner of match 3 faces winner of match 4 and the losers also face.
The winners of the second matches will face each other and so do the losers. This will set up a ladder 1st thru 8th.

	19-04-2000 03:43									#22
	Support Apolyton, buy GURPS/ Alpha Centauri

I'm in.
Civ: Españoles (Spanish)
Deity

------------------

	19-04-2000 03:51									#23
	Help yourself to an AD-FREE life

Some one toldme in the net that it could be one 16 players game.
Is it possible?
I am in or not?

	19-04-2000 06:23									#24
	Inflate your Upload Space

H so far we need six more people to make it a 16 player tournament. If 6 more players come then I will quick make up a new group and everyone will have to play one more person.
But if we can't get more players then you will be a back up and second to try your luck in working your way up the ladder.

	19-04-2000 08:16									#25
	Support Apolyton, pre-order Civilization IV

Something I missed
Barbarain: Raging Hordes
H or Don if we can't get 6 more players we might be able to add you anyways. I am thinking of a good way to do this if you have any suggestions plz email them to me.

	19-04-2000 11:50									#26
	Suffering from ads?

Sounds interesting; I noticed my name was almost on the 1st game list -- seems my perogative of being in multiple places at singular times has been achieved -- excellent.

Anyway, I'd like to join if the list expands.

Level: Deity
Civ: Irish
Pastime: Conquest

	19-04-2000 19:14									#27
	Help yourself to an AD-FREE life

Hey Aegheor,
Yes I thought Aaginor was you.
So at first I placed him being Diety, your rank at Pin's site.
Well only need 5 more people. actually if only one more person joins I will add you guys in other group of four. this means that there will be 3 groups of four. group 1, 2, and 3. each person in thoose groups will play twice and so determine the groups order. then the first person in group 1, 2, and 3 will play each other once. Now if everyone in the group ties with 1Win and 1Lose then we go to the victories for closer inspection.
winning 2 - 0 in set is better than winning 2 - 1. If two players won same types meaning both player won one 2 - 0 and lost 0 - 2 then we go by # of turn of victory.
This one idea
Another idea which is much simplier is just to have groups 1 and 2 play each other then they play against group 3. If 5 more people show then this is not nessicary.
At any event Don you can play H

The Matches are now
Match 1: Shavlor vs. Aaginor
Match 2: Pin vs. Train
Match 3: Swissy vs. Human
Match 4: Sophix vs. Josip
Match 5: Don vs. H
Match 6 Aegheor vs. (next challenger)

If you have any opinion on how to add group 3 please either email me or post.
[This message has been edited by Shavlor (edited April 19, 2000).]

	19-04-2000 20:46									#28
	Get a bigger avatar today!

Hey Shav', put me in ! If it is too late, it doesn't matter, if not, i 'll play with the Greek and my level is Emperor i think.

If you still need some players, you should contact Djazid and tell him that Tronn is in.
I'm pretty sure that will convince him to join us.

	20-04-2000 01:33									#29
	Avatar Enlargement: We've got the solution

I am getting a web site soon for this tournament and the ladder play.

Tronn good to have you. I already took the Greeks please take a different civ.

new players:
Don - ???? - Assyrains
H - Diety - Spanish
Aehgeor - Diety - Irish
Tronn - Emperor - ?????

Match 6: Aehgeor vs. Tronn

It looks like we will have a 16 player tournament instead of a 8 or 12 player.

	20-04-2000 04:02									#30
	Full PM-box? Change here!

New player added
aristodemo - Diety - ?????

Match 7: aristodemo vs. (next compeditor)