21-08-2002 02:33									#1
	The Apolytonian Geographic Society: a proposal Put an end to popups!

What do you guys think about a Geographic Society, or something similar? Each branch of government or non-governmental societies could have needs of a specific map, or maps, depending of their objectives.
This Society would be a non-governmental organization, able to respond requests of all group in our Demo Game. Some requests could take some time, depending of the data, of course.
This seems too much for a single person. Later in the game, the maps will be very complex. I’m looking for interested people to help.
I ask Togas, particularly, if he could find time, to help with the text to found this. All that legal stuff sounds very nice and respectable.
I have already a host to archive the maps, but with some limitations for data storage. I think I can manage this. It’s not so expensive, at all…
Suggestions, criticisms and comments will be welcome!

	21-08-2002 02:36									#2
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I would wish to contribute but I'm already doing a crapload. It certainly is a worthy thing to do, however.


If you need any juicey free internet space after the end of the month, lemme know. I can do 2 gigs for approx. $0 a month... ok exactly $0 a month.

	21-08-2002 02:43									#3
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quote: Originally posted by Aro I ask Togas, particularly, if he could find time, to help with the text to found this. All that legal stuff sounds very nice and respectable.

This is a fine idea. You don't need to worry about writing up something legal, as this Society would be just like the War Academy or Thinkers Guild. It would be a volunteer group that took map requests and published them for us all. Since it's voluntary and has no official power it doesn't need to have a law passed to create it.

IF you wanted to make a new position in the government called Cartographer or the like, I could help with the text for that. The new position's responsibility would be to create, collect, and post maps for all of us to use. The position would likely also be responsible for giving official names to landmarks and the like.

--Togas

	21-08-2002 02:50									#4
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I like the idea, however my home computer has no softwear to help contribute, even if I somehow come up with more time to help. Your maps have been excelent and very usefull so far.

Thanks for all the work.

	21-08-2002 02:51									#5
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I'm certainly willing to help; statistics and maps work well together.
I had already been thinking about this, b/c I thought once the regions are made, it would be really nice to have a map that labels the regions and geologic landmarks on the map.

	21-08-2002 02:51									#6
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Epistax,
This would be great! I'm paying approx. $12 a month... ok, exactly $11.95 a month
Thanks in advance.

Reddawg, your help will be inestimable! You are doing a great job with the stats.

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	21-08-2002 03:06									#7
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quote: Originally posted by Togas IF you wanted to make a new position in the government called Cartographer or the like, I could help with the text for that. The new position's responsibility would be to create, collect, and post maps for all of us to use. The position would likely also be responsible for giving official names to landmarks and the like. --Togas

Thanks, GodKing and Togas... This is governmental matter, I don’t know if it is necessary. In fact, I don’t want any position in the office… You know, old friends become new enemies too easily…

Edit:
The links
Regions
Mingapulco (Former Region One. 300dpi, 12X7 cm)
Region two
Region Three
Region four
And the updated world map (300dpi, 30X20 cm, 1.9 Mb)
World Map
The sub-divisions of our continent:
Geographic Map
Apolytonia:
General Map
Outlined
The Grand Basin (by caesarqbear)
The Grand Basin
Ultra high detailed map of Abananaba Major (by caesarqbear, 300dpi, 47X27 cm, 1.4 Mb)
Abananaba Major
Tactical Map (300dpi, 32X19 cm)
Tactical Map

	21-08-2002 09:34									#8
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i'd join it

	21-08-2002 15:37									#9
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ah! i see our contact finaly dropped ideas in here :-P

maybe you can also help us a litte:

im searching for a tool to convert a sav to a png/bmp/gif without revealing any hidden things (keep fog of war, keep undiscovered area etc.) to make maps of demogames...

the idea would be to run the utility on a sav to get the same view of the whole world you could get by scrolling-screenshotting-pasting together the whole thing.

maybe also a switch to get a plain geographical view and a view with cities, improovements units etc. would be nice.

if someone here find something like that, please give me notice! preferrably as pm here or on cfc.
i will do the same if i find it ;-)

	21-08-2002 16:22									#10
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Darkness'Edge, you’re in!
Disorganizer, I wish I had such tool. The worst part of this job is just the "scrolling-screenshotting-pasting together the whole thing", as you said. Maybe some of the tech guys around could help us... Could save a lot of work.
Btw, tonight we will have another world map, Mr. UnOrtho will play 5 turns and post the reports and save.
See the VP announcement .
This means work... Reddawg, more stats are coming...
Btw, Reddawg, we will need to see how work on those statistic graphics, I think I could help.
Darkness, I have a lot of work today, but I'll free tonight, and we can talk about how share data and work . Now I'm in a hurry, but I'll send you a PM later.
Thanks, everybody.


Edit:
You can find the Reddawg statistics thread here:
The State of the Nation: Statistics #1: 2590 BC to 430 BC

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	21-08-2002 20:38									#11
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Aro, I'll look into the next saved game and if there is enough change to merit an update to the stats, I'll do so. Otherwise I'll be waiting until the next turnthread, the one they're going to play Sunday, to update the stats. Are they establishing any embassies in tonight's turn? I need screenshots! Lol.

I'll look into the charts/graphs too... I think I could make some easily enough.

	21-08-2002 21:21									#12
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Err... I don't know why, but all my links are dead at the moment. I'm trying to contact the #@%% people of Yahoo Geocities, but I couldn't. I'll try to fix this...
Well, it's annoying. Sorry.

	21-08-2002 23:37									#13
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I would be interested in such a group- after all, its the geographers that name the world! Though its great that I have recently found out that what I keep calling Anabana is really Abananaba (too many a's!).

Anyway: You have already made several great maps, so keep up the hard work

	22-08-2002 03:03									#14
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Thanks the Great Banana! The #@%& links are working again!!!
GePap,
Thanks! You can help anytime you want, if send me your ideas (just a sketch, if you want), I can make some "final art", etc.

	22-08-2002 08:20									#15
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The new Updated World Map (350 BC, 1.9 MB) is here .
Some more ocean tiles, two or three new cities, a barbarian camp near Tzintzuntzen (what a name!!! ). Probably more than this, I just took a glance.

	22-08-2002 08:34									#16
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Is there any chance of posting a map of our territory WITH GRIDS TURNED ON. We could use it for the $MiniGame then.

	22-08-2002 08:47									#17
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Do you mean Apolytonia? Yep, good idea. I'll do it in the morning. Now, it's bed time...

	22-08-2002 13:22									#18
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I've got photoshop and know how to use it. I'd be happy to help, if you could just give me some pointers on how to get good screenshots. Is there a way to run Civ3 at higher rez?

	22-08-2002 17:38									#19
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GhengisFarb,
You can find the maps of Apolytonia (with grids) in my site. Take a look and let me know if those maps are adequate.

Caesarqbear,
About the higher resolution, someone posted something in another thread. I’ll do some research. You have to change the ini.txt file or something like that. Well, this scares me…
What I’m doing is take screenshots (with the zoom out, if it’s a world map, or zoom in, if it’s a more detailed map) and them put the pieces together in Photoshop. To get the screenshots, you just have to press “Print Screen”, you know. Moving the cursor, you get the pieces. It’s like a puzzle…
Your help will be VERY welcome, and we can work together or in different jobs, depending of the requests.
If you want to, here is a job: look at the Geographic map in my site (see link in my sign or above, in another post). Could you make the maps of The great Basin, the Major Plain, The Minor basin, The Minor Plain and Abanabana (Anabana? Abanana? I need to fix this…)? You can use the new updated map as a reference, or take the screenshots from the 350 BC sav, what do you prefer. You can send me the maps by e-mail (aroeira@ism.com.br) and I’ll upload those maps to my site. Usually, I make them printable, with 300dpi and something around 20cmX16cm, or larger. I’ll put the credits, of course.
Now, you are officially a member of the Apolytonian Geographic Society! Be proud!

And please, forgive my spelling mistakes, not to mention the grammar…

Edit: e-mail

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	22-08-2002 21:10									#20
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Great job! Those should work, thanks.

Hey, does that big river have a name? How about it's tributaries?

	23-08-2002 02:46									#21
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Hello - just to let you know that region 2 now has a name (principality of pina colada - or PPC for short).

When we get all the regions named, and post war with france, if possible I would like to request a map of our territory with all our names. Thanks a bunch. All your work is very appreciated.

	23-08-2002 08:36									#22
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GodKing i was just coming to this thread to suggest the same thing... well, you beat me too it! congrats.

i think a master map should also be made taht labels the geographic regions... could we do that? or maybe that'd be best left for after we've gotten Uber Isle covered.

	23-08-2002 14:18									#23
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Just a suggestion for making maps...
When your getting the pictures out of the actual game, press the delete key on your keyboard. This will make all of the game interface disappear.
Another tip: Save each screenshot you use as a seperate file, then combine them as one out of the game. You won't have to keep on switching between the game to your file, but from one file to another.

Here's a link to a fine (albeit outdated) map of Phoenatica.
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads/...tica-1800ad.jpg
Happy Mapmaking!

	23-08-2002 20:17									#24
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Thanks for the tips, Octavian X.
GodKing and Reddawg, I'll work on this (with your input, I hope ), as soon I can manage my RL daily work (many cartoons and illustrations to do, and I play in two bands, with a lot of shows coming! Oh, man, I'm stuck...). Today I will be very busy, but tomorrow I come back.
Quoting Panag: "have a nice day..."

	25-08-2002 19:13									#25
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There’s a new map on the site, done by caesarqbear. It's a detailed map of The Grand Basin. The link is here .
Thanks, caesarqbear!

	25-08-2002 20:41									#26
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The 290 BC map is already done. is here .
I made it in a hurry, if I did some mistake, let me know.
Thanks.

	26-08-2002 03:23									#27
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Here is our staff (in alphabetical order):
Aro
Caesarqbear
Darkness’ Edge
Disorganizer (as a “Visitor Cartographer)
GePap
GodKing
Octavian X (as a “Visitor Cartographer”, and also for the excellent tips)
Reddawg (statistics and cartography goes well together)
Togas (as our councilor)

Note: I put in the staff everybody who post here, with the exceptions of Epistax and GhengisFarb, they are too busy. However, they have a place here if they want.
Thanks.
Everyone who wants stay out just let me know…

	26-08-2002 20:30									#28
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Caesarqbear's map of Abananaba Major is here . An excellent super high detail map.
Great job, caesarqbear, thanks!