21-08-2002 20:28									#1
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Historically, when Europe discovered the New World there were several colonial attempts by private investors, what I propose is a colonial attempt at the Lost Island ("Uber Island", called it different since the members may want to rename it).

What we need is a settler and a galley after they drop the troops off in France. I figure members can join this organization and then we can lobby the government to send out our colony.

UPSIDES:
There might be luxuries, other resources, goody huts, or other player civs.

DOWNSIDES:
Just a one tile island, and the ship could sink.

	21-08-2002 20:40									#2
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decent idea, but i dislike the risk of sending a galley that might sink

btw, nice avatar.

	21-08-2002 20:42									#3
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Decided to attach a map of the area in question:

Attachment: lostisland.jpg
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	21-08-2002 20:47									#4
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The galley can make it over there if it moves cautiously... the chance at a colony is pretty exciting, a good opportunity. The earlier we get a colony the sooner it could become a real asset. And what if it's a fair sized island? Whoever gets the first foothold has the best advantage. I'm for it.

	21-08-2002 20:48									#5
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I'd rather scout out Uber Island before I can be certain. If the island is large enough for settlement and/or has resources we could use, settle it. If it's too small and lacks resources, don't.

And nice avatar.

	21-08-2002 20:55									#6
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Key points:

The island is EXTREMELY close to our current capital. If we establish a colony now it shouldn't have too much trouble with corruption.

Even if it's a one tile island it could build a harbor and be a strategic early warning naval base out from our coast before we might potentially move the capital.

Later on ships that might not make it back to our coast could pull in and repair there.

If it IS a land mass, the location of the first city would allow us decent production (close to the capital) to produce workers and settlers to colonize other advantageous areas. I'm pretty sure the resource is a whale based on coloring so we would eventually have one good prodution tile that wouldn't have to be improved.

	21-08-2002 20:57									#7
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YOU'RE ALL GONNA DIE!

	21-08-2002 21:15									#8
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Epistax is right. I think by now our wise men have agreed that the world is flat and is standing on a tremendous banana which carries it through space.
Still, I'm for colonizing Uber Isle. If it's close to the end of the world then we might be able to take advantage of that and use it for scientific experiments. I'm planning a complicated device that is made of huge mirrors, a set of intricate pulleys and clockwork mechanisms and a chocolate bar that can reflect the light from the great banana and allow us to finally see it with our own eyes!

Good luck in your perilous voyage my fellow explorers, and beware of sea monsters!!

	22-08-2002 02:58									#9
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I agree that we should do Uber Island, but the government doesn't need lobbying -- it's already been agreed on . To the point of being mentioned in the Foreign Affairs standing orders, and being mentioned by the Minister of Imperial Expansion and the City Planner (I think I've heard them both mention it at least once).

As far as I know, the plan is to do it with the galley's left over from the war with France, which means it'll be done fairly soon after said war.

Just FYI...

-- adaMada

	22-08-2002 04:11									#10
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I have business on the mainland, but I look forward to hear new opportunities from lost Island ! (btw, I support naming it Lost Island)

	22-08-2002 04:31									#11
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quote: Originally posted by adaMada I agree that we should do Uber Island, but the government doesn't need lobbying -- it's already been agreed on . To the point of being mentioned in the Foreign Affairs standing orders, and being mentioned by the Minister of Imperial Expansion and the City Planner (I think I've heard them both mention it at least once). As far as I know, the plan is to do it with the galley's left over from the war with France, which means it'll be done fairly soon after said war. Just FYI... -- adaMada

I know, but if we form a Merchant Company I'm going try to convince captain to let our members have a 20% discount on bidding for any land down there.

Although, no ones's offered to be a member except me.

	22-08-2002 05:03									#12
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quote: Originally posted by GhengisFarb I know, but if we form a Merchant Company I'm going try to convince captain to let our members have a 20% discount on bidding for any land down there. Although, no ones's offered to be a member except me.

Ok, lol.

As long as there's something for the Merchant Company to do once we get there , seems like a worthwhile endevour.

Sadly, I believe I probably won't be joining you, since I'm having enough trouble with the (very simple) Beta $ game as it is, and am spending wayyy to much time on these fourms already, so I'm going to try to avoid taking up anything else right now .

If you get it going, however, I might be willing to 'buy in' later, if that'll be a possibility.

-- adaMada

	22-08-2002 11:05									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Reddawg The galley can make it over there if it moves cautiously...

If the galley ends at sea and only moved two squares does it have less chance of sinking?

	22-08-2002 11:42									#14
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I vote Yes. A colony is just what Apolyton needs, it'll be bringing in more gold, and it may be, like others have said, a new continent.

	22-08-2002 17:09									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Vitreous Humor If the galley ends at sea and only moved two squares does it have less chance of sinking?

I don't think so. Something as important as this would surely have been mentioned somewhere and if it has, I've yet to come across it.

	22-08-2002 18:04									#16
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I'm also thinking it would be a safe source of fundage. With the way everything's becoming developed on the mainland and the dawn of knights around the corner any war could easily turn into temporary city lossages (a stack of enemy knights takes Del Monte forcing us to retake it, etc I used Del Monte as I see the Greeks as the biggest threat), what with all the ROPs going around.

Colonial holdings on a separate land mass would be immune unless they hauled a expedition by boat and whoever is there first has the advantage of knocking off invasion forces piecemeal.

	23-08-2002 16:48									#17
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hi ,

we should go for it , there is no civ there yet , or we would have seen there border , ....who knows what lays there , ....

it shall be a great oppurtunity !

i shall only bring us good things

it has to be , with that name

have a nice day

	23-08-2002 17:39									#18
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It is very important that we get there asap.

Before the french, have you seen their galley?, or any other ai gets there. Then we'll have a little edge on them.

	23-08-2002 18:02									#19
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We are moving forward with this endevor. The settler is being produced now, and in fact will be ready prior to the fleet returning from france. Hopefully the french bastards will not attack it in route.

The plan is simple - send one galley over. This is risky in that it must spend AT LEAST one turn in deep water and risk sinking. When it is over, it explores for one turn, making sure that the land has at least one space to found a city. The same time the first galley is looking at the isle, the settler boards the second galley and it is positioned as close as possible, but WITHOUT placing it in any danger. Next turn; The galley at uber isle moves one space into deep water, the settler galley moves 2 squares (there are I assume 3 deep waters between safe waters) then unloads the settler - who jump into the waiting uber galley, who returns to safe waters. The other galley starts to move back toward the mainland, and we hope it doesn't sink when its turn ends.

If the war goes well, we will send a warrior or spear with the settler, who will explore along with the galley that is over there.

Assuming there is no competition, first order is to construct a grainery, to turn the city into a settler and worker factory. Second is a temple. Third is a harbor. All will be interspersed with settler and worker builds to take full advantage of the new land.

	23-08-2002 18:18									#20
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How about my proposal? It is less risky though it doesn't let us explore ahead (though we can explore with the ship + settler once it's in safe waters).
Here is my proposal:

First, let's give names to all the tiles involved.
Tile A is the tile SE of Apolyton. Tile E is the first coastal tile. Tiles B to D are the tiles in between.

Preparation phase: both galleys are either in tile A or in Apolyton. Galley 1 is emtpy, galley 2 contains a settler / settler+spearman / 2 settlers or whatever we decide to load onto it (we'll refer to galley 2's cargo simply as 'cargo').

Phase 1: galley 1 moves to tile C and ends the turn. 50% chance of sinking and losing 1 galley. Galley 2 holds its position.
Phase 2: if galley 1 sinks build another galley and return to phase 1. Otherwise send galley 2 to tile B. Move cargo from galley 2 to galley 1. Galley 1 moves to tile E. Galley 2 moves to tile A or another coastal tile. Both galleys end the phase in safe waters.
Phase 3: galley 1 can now either drop the settler onto Uber Isle or explore its shores (it still has 1 movement point left for the turn).

What do you think of this plan?

	23-08-2002 21:42									#21
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Good plan. But send over a military unit as well.

Are you sure about the 50% chance?

	23-08-2002 22:16									#22
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That is an excellent plan! Kudos to Shiber.

	23-08-2002 23:15									#23
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I am unsure about the 50% chance. I never got any solid confirmation of this. However, whatever the risk is, we'll only have to face it once (during phase 1) so it's minimal.

	23-08-2002 23:24									#24
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hi ,

one military unit might be a bit weak , we should send more over , .....if the french settle there , well we should take that city also , ...

have a nice day

	24-08-2002 01:35									#25
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There's room for only two units aboard a galley. If we want to send more we'll have to send two galleys. This means double the risk.
Besides, there's very little chance that the enemy AIs are going to colonize Uber Isle. It's too far away from any other capital and if they build colonies on the island they'll be so corrupted that they will only produce one shield per turn and in the long run they'll actually lose money, not gain. If we need a military unit along with the settler, it's to guard it from barbarians.

	25-08-2002 19:08									#26
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hi ,

the galley could move up and down , ....

if it sinks it sinks , but the almighty banana is on our side , ....

we need at least 2 more extra units there

have a nice day