25-08-2002 20:07									#31
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Hmmm, this doesnt look good. I wonder if we should recruit a few allies for ourselves. If we dont, im sure France and Germany will get the other civs against us.

	25-08-2002 20:15									#32
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quote: Originally posted by trickey Hmmm, this doesnt look good. I wonder if we should recruit a few allies for ourselves. If we dont, im sure France and Germany will get the other civs against us.

hi ,

they could get tired of it and drop it after 20 turns , ...

have a nice day

	25-08-2002 21:43									#33
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I think the situation is not all that bad and let me tell you why.
1) France is DOOMED
We won 2 huge victories with minimal loses.
Marseles and Rheims/Chartes are next
Then we will make peace with France for much tribute and cities and maybe even tech if there allies give them any and they might.
2) Germany is no danger, except for napolitan. So we might loose that city. However I can just about Guarentee the will lose munich and will be gone from our territory once and for all. After we take munich they will make peace in 1/2 turns after.
3) Persia is the wosrt threat but they have settler stacks, yummmy yummy we will get slaves. Ubergorsk is defend by 2 veteran spear behind walls with fortification bonus. This is not like when the AI plans for war and has huge stacks moving against you. This is the AI with a rushed war with a few archers here or there. They will do little damage.
4). Who can they bring against us
America and Greece
Bringing in americva would give us an excuse to finish them sooner.
Greece could be a threat but they are already at war and probably don't need a 3rd war..
Aggie

	25-08-2002 21:48									#34
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Good analysis Aggie.
IMHO Persia can't bring Greece against us because:
a) Persia is low on cash.
b) Greece isn't going to agree to an alliance against us anyway, unless Persia agrees to ally against England as well which is something that Persia can't agree to.

Btw, a swordsman (not the veteran, one of the regulars that we're going to upgrade) should be assigned to hunting down Persian settler stacks. It will make Persia agree to a peace deal much faster IMHO.

	25-08-2002 22:00									#35
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They aren't going to bring in anyone else, AI always brings people in right away or not at all, it seems to me. Even if they did bring in Greece, we'd have the "enemy of my enemy is my friend" thing with England and Aztecs.

and dont underestimate germany.

	25-08-2002 22:15									#36
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I may sound like a coward, but i think I am acting in a self-preservation manner when I say that when those immortals start to appear, if I dont have an Army at least 2 or three times their size, I am running the otherway!!

	25-08-2002 22:15									#37
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You're right, Germany has two cities (Berlin with 8 pop and Frankfurt with 7 pop) which can produce military units fast.

Last edited by Shiber on 25-08-2002 at 22:37

	25-08-2002 22:41									#38
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Indeed they can but remember the ai will start making peace in 5 or so turns(also they are republic), so by the time the troops got to the combat area they would be all dressed up with no place to go.

	25-08-2002 22:59									#39
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DAMN! (looking at the diplo screen)

quote: Originally posted by Aggie 2) Germany is no danger, except for napolitan. So we might loose that city. However I can just about Guarentee the will lose munich and will be gone from our territory once and for all. After we take munich they will make peace in 1/2 turns after.

An idea: Before entering negotiations, move all our units out of Munich. Offer to trade Napoleton for Munich (assuming they have Munich). We'll get Munich through culture-flipping anyway.

	25-08-2002 23:08									#40
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Good idea.
All I can say is that I hope we won't come to this (to losing Napoleton, that is).

	25-08-2002 23:09									#41
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hi ,

, do we have any real options to bring others on our side in the war

have a nice day

	25-08-2002 23:15									#42
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Yes. Read the thread about allying with England (here's a link).

	26-08-2002 00:43									#43
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Good God! I mean Good Banana! War with three civs! Ach!

	26-08-2002 00:44									#44
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*Duddha composes himself*

I'm sure our mighty armies will destroy them all.

	26-08-2002 06:21									#45
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I would love to actually look at the save (particularly our exact troop strength and locations at this time, and whatever we know about our enemies), but for some reason both the save files in this thread cause my civ3 to go boom.

I gets to 100% loaded then stops, the CD spins up, and I get illegal operation in sound.dll (it doesnt matter if sound is on or off either) It only happens with these two saves, all my saves are fine, all the older apolytonia saves work, so I dont know.

In any case, if someone wants to actually draw up a tactical map showing just cities & troop strengths (ours & known enemy ones) that'd be cool. If nothing else just a simple list by closest city would work (ie. 3 swordsman near Paris enroute to Orleans or such)

Its hard to make actual knowledgable assessments without that sort of exact information.

	26-08-2002 06:31									#46
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I just made a detailed screen capture of the entire upper continent. Aro has not yet had a chance to post it. If you need it pronto email me: caesarbear@yahoo.com.
It's a little over 2 megs.

	26-08-2002 08:19									#47
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Thanks, Ill wait until its posted though. I might try re-installing civ3 tommorrow to see if that fixes the loading problem, though I dont expect it to since only these 2 saves have problems.

	26-08-2002 09:32									#48
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quote: Originally posted by caesarqbear I just made a detailed screen capture of the entire upper continent. Aro has not yet had a chance to post it. If you need it pronto email me: caesarbear@yahoo.com. It's a little over 2 megs.

I'll post it in the site tomorrow morning. The map is really detailed! You can almost see the horse's eyes!
A great job, caesarqbear! Thanks!

	26-08-2002 15:24									#49
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The Geographic Society is doing a fine job.

	26-08-2002 15:45									#50
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quote: Originally posted by wervdon I would love to actually look at the save (particularly our exact troop strength and locations at this time, and whatever we know about our enemies), but for some reason both the save files in this thread cause my civ3 to go boom. I gets to 100% loaded then stops, the CD spins up, and I get illegal operation in sound.dll (it doesnt matter if sound is on or off either) It only happens with these two saves, all my saves are fine, all the older apolytonia saves work, so I dont know. In any case, if someone wants to actually draw up a tactical map showing just cities & troop strengths (ours & known enemy ones) that'd be cool. If nothing else just a simple list by closest city would work (ie. 3 swordsman near Paris enroute to Orleans or such) Its hard to make actual knowledgable assessments without that sort of exact information.

This is indeed odd. I am running from a fresh install to revert back to 1.21....

Unless AOL is somehow messing the upload...

	26-08-2002 16:47									#51
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Map worked fine over here, just FYI... :-/

	26-08-2002 21:31									#52
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quote: Originally posted by wervdon I would love to actually look at the save (particularly our exact troop strength and locations at this time, and whatever we know about our enemies)... ...In any case, if someone wants to actually draw up a tactical map showing just cities & troop strengths (ours & known enemy ones) that'd be cool. If nothing else just a simple list by closest city would work (ie. 3 swordsman near Paris enroute to Orleans or such) Its hard to make actual knowledgable assessments without that sort of exact information.

The geographic Society is working on a group of maps especially for SMC use, with each troops indicated in size, strength, etc. I hope we can have this done tonight (RL, again...), or a little soon.

	27-08-2002 01:29									#53
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As posted in another thread, the Tactical Map (300dpi, 32X19 cm, 1.7 Mb) is here .

	27-08-2002 02:47									#54
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quote: Originally posted by Aro As posted in another thread, the Tactical Map (300dpi, 32X19 cm, 1.7 Mb) is here .

hi ,

great map

you should be hired from now on as the strategic map maker

this is the type of info everyone needs if they want a fast and good overview

to base your actions on this , is like getting half of the war over in no time , ...

have a nice day

	27-08-2002 03:32									#55
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Thank you very much for the map, perhaps I will put movemet paths on if if I have time.
Aggie

	27-08-2002 22:05									#56
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Holy Moley! I'm gone five minutes & all hell breaks loose! 735 unread forums and about 1/2 seem to relate to developments in the C3DG!

I've got some reading to do now, but it would seem our esteemed govt. feels it has these unexpected developments under control. Keep up the good work, you-all

	28-08-2002 01:10									#57
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quote: Originally posted by trickey yes, paris is sitting on some semi-productive terrain as it is now, and workers would do good. but remember, when we capture it, the culture will shrink, and we will lose the wines!

hi ,

the culture shall not shrink , ....

so the wines shall not be lost , ....

have a nice day

	28-08-2002 01:32									#58
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When you capture an enemy town it's culture is lost. If you still think I'm wrong just look at the maps or download the save and you'll see that Paris's culture has shrunk to 0 and we don't have control of the wine tiles.

	28-08-2002 02:16									#59
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culture is gone for a city you take. automaticall all culture improvements are lost too. If you retake your city, you do get the culture, but not imrovementsback.
Aggie

	28-08-2002 04:04									#60
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I am going to start a new one of these and top it so that I can add links to the saves and reports. After all, it IS supposed to be my job!