23-08-2002 21:58									#1
	The French Galley : on her way to Uber Isle ? Avatar Enlargement: We've got the solution

The French have made at least one galley we know of. We dont know whether she is going to Uber Isle or not. Would not it be safer to sink her, immediately after we declare war (which we should do AFTER leaving the French waters) ?

The buiding of galleys by the French is expected to be significantly reduced by the war : they will loose 2 or 3 coastal cities.

	23-08-2002 22:19									#2
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I imagine it's simply scouting out the coast. The AI has a habit of sending it's galleys along the coastlines. I haven't seen them make beelines for uncharted islands with galleys before.

	23-08-2002 22:40									#3
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Chances are we will find out after declaring war. It will either continue on it's path to the island, which we can then attack it, or it will attack one of our own galleys as it will only be two turns away.

	23-08-2002 22:44									#4
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I suspect the galley is not carrying a settler for one major reason. Uber Isle is far for them and more importantly there is land on the continent they can get. I doubt they would send a settler out yet. Of course if they do head that direction we can take action. I will edit orders to that effect. Just give me a little time to get some specific scenarios that will let us know one way or another.
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	23-08-2002 22:44									#5
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If it is going to settle uber and has a settler, why attack it? Sue for it. Saves us the trouble, and they'll happily give it away, giving its distance.

	23-08-2002 22:46									#6
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Good point Epistax, and the war might still be going by then. Also the ship could sink. The war last about 6-8 turns best I can figure. so that could be time enough to reach island for them. More for me to think about.
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	23-08-2002 22:50									#7
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I agree with Epistax and Aggie, let's not worry about it as AI galleys are like cats, they meander about occasionally getting in your way but rarely attack anyone.

	23-08-2002 22:51									#8
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We'll know in a few turns. However I'm afraid we'll only know for sure once they're in mid-sea and chasing them might be too risky. On the other hand, trying to sink their galley right now might be too risky as well.
I say we take no specific course of action. If they plan to attack our galleys there's not much we can do without seriously delaying the colonization of Uber Isle. If they plan to get to Uber Isle, which is very unlikely IMHO for reasons already mentioned in this thread we'll settle down next to their colony (that is, if their galley actually makes it across) and take control of it one way or another when the time comes.

	24-08-2002 01:23									#9
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What about their possible map making ?

	24-08-2002 02:08									#10
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Also a possibility. I just hope they don't explore Uber Isle and then sell the map to all the other civs.

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After all, we are a religious civ, so we hope and prey

	24-08-2002 04:29									#12
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one we declare war, we should sink it for sure. if they discover uber isle, they will trade their map to everyone, then our chances of colonizing it are done.

	24-08-2002 04:32									#13
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quote: Originally posted by DAVOUT After all, we are a religious civ, so we hope and prey

Funny typo! We are a religious civ, so we hope and PRAY.
But we are warriors, so we hope and PREY, when prayer doesn't work!

	24-08-2002 05:02									#14
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I can't promise you all... but I cross referenced France's population growths and I don't *think* they've built a settler recently. So unless they've had one just hanging around for a long time, they don't have one.

Does that help?

	24-08-2002 05:26									#15
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I think it's not even worth taking care of this galley. Most probably it will sink before it can reach Uber Isle.

Anyway we can't take the risk to sink one of our galley in a hazardous sea attack, can we?

	24-08-2002 05:39									#16
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Reddawg, it does indeed help. Based on your analysis and my experience with the AI, I will continue my current orders for the ships to go to their original destination.
As far as the danger of the AI selling maps well they probably will stay along the coast and just see what our own maps that we have given away already show.
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	24-08-2002 05:45									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Max I think it's not even worth taking care of this galley. Most probably it will sink before it can reach Uber Isle. Anyway we can't take the risk to sink one of our galley in a hazardous sea attack, can we?

You forgot that the AI's galleys dont sink.

We must take care of that galley of we see it going twords uber island.

	24-08-2002 14:30									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Robber Baron Funny typo! We are a religious civ, so we hope and PRAY. But we are warriors, so we hope and PREY, when prayer doesn't work!

Blunder of the week !

	24-08-2002 15:17									#19
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quote: Originally posted by trickey You forgot that the AI's galleys dont sink.

Really?? THEY DON'T??
If you're right then we'll have to rely on the fact that's Uber Isle is very far from France's capital and they won't be prune to set up a town there because it'll be corrupted like hell and would probably lose them money in the long run.

	24-08-2002 16:03									#20
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Well, they are supposed to, but i have never seen one sink. I think the chance of a gally sinking is 50% right? Well, the AI's galley surely dont sink 50% of the time.

	24-08-2002 16:13									#21
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It can't be. It's pure cheating. It's like giving the AIs the effect of Astronomy for free.

	24-08-2002 16:15									#22
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It is true, i think there was a few threads about it a while ago.

	24-08-2002 16:30									#23
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I've done some searching and I didn't find any solid proof of this.
Noone has actually been able to present a case where an enemy galley stayed in water it should have drowned in according to its advancement through the tech tree for a long enough time and didn't sink, with attached saved games and all.
Come to think about it, I think I once saw an enemy galley sink. IIRC it was the first time I ever saw a galley sinking (it was one of my first games and I did not dare send my galleys to the high seas yet).

	24-08-2002 18:32									#24
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I have NEVER seen the AI use a galley in a way that would could cause it to sink. Correct me if I am wrong but I believe that Uber Isle requires that the galley stop in the middle. I hope something like this will be fixed in PTW though because the AI should be more aggressive with it's navy.

	25-08-2002 02:20									#25
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The AI Triremes in Civ2 didn't sink either.

	25-08-2002 02:47									#26
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I think everyone knows that by know, skywalker.

	25-08-2002 03:56									#27
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They musn't get to Uber Isle, we need that island to expand onto!

	25-08-2002 15:33									#28
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It doesnt matter if the galley will sink or not. If we continue to let them explore twords uber isle, they will trade thier map to other civs, then will have a galley (pr two) from each civ flying by our territory to get to uber isle. Its OUR secret, we should keep it that way. The french know to much, they will have to be destroyed

	25-08-2002 16:01									#29
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I have reached the conclusion that France will not try to make it to Uber Isle. The reason is as follows:
We know there are coastal tiles beyond our view because we see a hint of bright blue and a whale's tail just outside our view of the known world. Therefore we assume that there is land beyond those coastal tiles. However, the AI doesn't know that there are coastal tiles there! Therefore he is not aware of the existence of Uber Isle and will not send a galley to the sea.

	25-08-2002 18:12									#30
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Yea, I think Shiber's right... the AI does know all the map, but it can't do some things with the knowledge, including settle... I wonder, though, if it's programmed to 'discover' favorable settling conditions and then settle there?

I doubt it... I'm pretty sure Shiber's right.

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