24-08-2002 03:21									#1
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I suggest that we upgrade the 2 regular warriors in Apolyton and Tassagrad and the veteran warrior in BHQ to swordsmen at the cost of 120 gold and then station them in Loveshack, where they will serve as a quick response team to counter attacks from the Persian and German front which are likely to follow our declaration of war against France (since France will try to form an alliance against us, probably with either Persia or Germany).

Comments and constructive criticism will be appreciated.

	24-08-2002 03:23									#2
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I agree with and second what Shiber just said .

Anything more substantive will probably have to come later, but I think the idea is basically sound -- increase our standing defensive military to deter other nations.

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	24-08-2002 03:30									#3
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I agree, we need some sort of ability to quickly respond to threats.
Upgrading the warriors is a great idea.
I wish we can get some horseman included in that. I do not recall if we have horses though.

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	24-08-2002 03:32									#4
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Yes we have horses. We've had them every since we discovered they exist. I say discovered because they didn't exist until we discovered them.

	24-08-2002 03:34									#5
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Not Horsemen. War Chariots. And we'll need a decent GA soon.

	24-08-2002 03:43									#6
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War Chariots to send with our troops to America (or to use in the next campaign) to trigger a GA - yes.
War Chariots as a fast unit to join the quick response team - no, because it can't even reach the German front in case they attack, let alone defend it. In the Persian front, they can only attack enemies that are located on road tiles which limits our possibilities.
I think you meant that we need to build WCs to trigger a GA during the American campaign or the one afterwards, not as means to respond to threats from the Northeastern fronts.

	24-08-2002 03:56									#7
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Both would be nice. The Swordsmen and the War Chariots. I voted for War Chariots, since we need them anyway for the GA. If we have the urge to use them for defense, we can instantly and very cheap upgrade them to Horsemen. If not, fine, preserve them for triggering the GA.

	24-08-2002 03:59									#8
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Shiber: Good point about war chariots as mobile defense team.
I suggest we build a force of horsemen for this purpose.

As for the war chariots as GA trigger, idea, this merits a thread of its own, I think, because Sir Ralph is right: we might be coming up to a good time for a golden age (early medieval -- some useful wonders, and in our case, I predict a serious war or two from aggressive neighbors).

	24-08-2002 04:27									#9
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we are gonna need a quick response team anyway, so we may as well build it now.

	24-08-2002 05:45									#10
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Shibber,

maybe we should wait 2 or 3 turns to see if Joan bribes Otto or Xerxes before spending 120GP in upgrading units to prevent a danger that doesn't exist yet...

As for the War Chariot, the sooner we build them, the better. If we wait till Christmas, it'll be useless. Right now week Lincoln is an excellent target for our War Chariot. I say let's start to build them immediately in order to be ready when peace is signed with Joan

	24-08-2002 07:39									#11
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Max I agree with you completely.

	24-08-2002 08:07									#12
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I oppose a Goldenage right now, since bluntly we would be unable to take advantage of it, we are still buying tech and have low populations. I would hold off on Ga until we have library in at least a few cities and other useful city improvements and people. Right now it is agreat waste of a great opportunity. That being said I didn't realize chariots upgraded to horsemen, mainly because its been a while since I played as egypt. I knew they could upgrade to knights. So I call on a development of a 5 unit chariot force that can be upgrade or used as opportunity permits. Maybe we can start by changing that warrior we are building into a chariot.
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	24-08-2002 15:35									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Max Shibber, maybe we should wait 2 or 3 turns to see if Joan bribes Otto or Xerxes before spending 120GP in upgrading units to prevent a danger that doesn't exist yet...

Arguments in favor of upgrading those warriors now:
* An addition of 3 swordsmen to our military force will increase the price of an alliance with us, meaning that Joan might not be able to pay for an alliance. It's still a gamble, but with better odds for us.
* If we wait for Persia or Germany to declare war then our quick response team might be there too late.
- Persia already has troops within our territory, but luckily we have roads to the Persian front so if we upgrade now we'll be able to respond in time to any Persian threats.
- Germany has a serious advantage over us. They can attack our jungle towns in the north and it would take our response team a lot of turns to get there because of the unroaded jungle that separates the core from the new towns in the north. If we don't upgrade those swordsmen right now we'll be delaying the response team even further.

	25-08-2002 19:36									#14
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hi ,

we might need to upgrade them faster then we tought , with the persians and them other thiefs at war against us , ....

have a nice day

	25-08-2002 19:49									#15
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I don't see why we waited. We should have upgraded those warriors in 350 BC.
Anyway, here is what we must do now:

* Upgrade the two warriors in BHQ.
* Upgrade the warrior in Tassagrad.
* Move the warrior NW N NW of BHQ to BHQ and upgrade.
* Apolyton has 3 spearmen. We should move one to BHQ to replace the two warriors that are leaving and and another one to Napoleton.
* As soon as more spearmen are built in the core, send them to the front.
* Change production in Paris to spearman.

General suggestions: send one swordsman to deal with the archer near Del Monte and then move to the Persian front. Send another swordsman to deal with the archer near Loveshack and then move to the Persian front. Send another swordsman to deal with the Persian stack near Ubergorsk. and then move to the German front. Send the 4th swordsman (after it's upgraded) to the Persian front.
That way we'll deal with immediate threats as quick as possible and have 2 swordsmen in each front. Combined with good strategy (staying in jungle, hill or mountain tiles when possible) we can repel Persia and Germany for a while.

	25-08-2002 19:54									#16
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One more thing: stop producing temples in the Northeastern jungle towns and switch to spearmen. Now that we are at war with Germany, instead of taking Munich by culture we can take it by force.

	25-08-2002 19:57									#17
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Shiber: The decisions were made, I followed, and agreed with them. We do need to change up some production now, though. Germany is the main threat. Persia still has no Iron, and can only attack with archers. Germany, though...

We could possibly snd the galleys back to bring the Archers down to get a few more offensive units near home. Four archers sitting on the Persian front, Four Swords on the German Front would be a solid defense until Persia hooks up the iron

	25-08-2002 19:59									#18
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Oh, and the Machiavelli Institute should work on keeping Greece out of this.

	25-08-2002 20:02									#19
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hi ,

those temples are needed anyway , ....

lets start to calculate and see if it really matters to swicth , ...

all we need now is Greece on our side , ....that could be intresting ,....

have a nice day