27-08-2002 13:59									#61
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quote: Originally posted by Franses What you do is a valid move but are you sure you want to expose this bug so clearly?

Which bug?

	27-08-2002 14:12									#62
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Market manipulation is not a bug, it's a feature!

	27-08-2002 15:29									#63
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FINAL TRANSACTION LIST FOR SESSION 3
Here's what I came up with for completed transactions:

LABOR MARKET
Total population: 14
Available labour: 14
Labor demand: 4

D:S = 6/14 = $29 (Minimum Wage)
FINAL TRANSACTIONS:
Epistax hired 2 labor at $29
Frances hired 2 labor at $30

FOOD MARKET
Food demand: 28
Food supplied: 35
Food sold: 30

D:S = 28/(35+30)65 = 43%
End price = $43
FINAL TRANSACTIONS:
Duddha sold 2 food at $40
Epistax sold 2 food at $39
Frances sold 2 food at $43
GhengisFarb sold 9 food at $43
jdd2007 sold 3 food at $40
Jonny sold 1 food at $30
Kloreep sold 2 food at $43
Kramerman sold 2 food at $35
notyoueither sold 2 food at $39
rendelnep sold 2 food at $75 - PRICED ABOVE MARKET
Shiek sold 2 food at $44 - PRICED ABOVE MARKET
Spiffor sold 1 food at $40


SHIELD MARKET
Shields demand: 18
Shields supplied: 19
Shields sold: 15 Shields bought: 2

D:S = 20(18+2)/34(19 +15) = 59%
End price = $59
FINAL TRANSACTIONS:
Epistax bought 2 shields at $59
GhengisFarb sold 1 shields at $65 - PRICED ABOVE MARKET
Jonny sold 3 shields at $50
Kloreep sold 4 shields at $61 - PRICED ABOVE MARKET
Kramerman sold 1 shield at $50
rendelnep sold 3 shields at $105 - PRICED ABOVE MARKET
Spiffor sold 3 shields at $55


COMMERCE MARKET
Commerce demand: 20
Commerce supplied: 23
Commerce sold: 24

D:S = 18/(23 + 24)26 = 43%
End price = $43
FINAL TRANSACTIONS:
Duddha sold 1 commerce at $40 - NOT ENOUGH DEMAND
Epistax sold 1 commerce at $34
Frances sold 1 commerce at $37
jdd2007 sold 3 commerce at $30
Jonny sold 3 commerce at $30
Kloreep sold 2 commerce at $39
Kramerman sold 3 commerce at $30
notyoueither sold 6 commerce at $33
rendelnep sold 3 commerce at $40 - NOT ENOUGH DEMAND
Spiffor sold 1 commerce at $35


Total Incomes
adaMada received $110 rent from GhengisFarb
..........Total Income for Turn =$110 (Cash $110, Debt $1200)

civman2000 received $175 rent from GhengisFarb
..........Total Income for Turn =$175 (Cash $350, Debt $1000)

Darkness' Edge
..........Total Income for Turn =$0 (Cash $0, Debt $400)

Duddha sold 2 food at $40
Duddha sold 1 commerce at $40 - NOT ENOUGH DEMAND
..........Total Income for Turn =$80 (Cash $80, Debt $1000)

Epistax hired 2 labor at $29
Epistax sold 2 food at $39
Epistax bought 2 shields at $59
Epistax sold 1 commerce at $34
..........Total Income for Turn = -$64 (Cash $169, Debt $750)

Frances hired 2 labor at $30
Frances sold 2 food at $43
Frances sold 1 commerce at $37
..........Total Income for Turn =$63 (Cash $405, Debt $1100)

GhengisFarb sold 9 food at $43
GhengisFarb sold 1 shields at $65 - PRICED ABOVE MARKET
GhengisFarb paid adaMada $110 rent
GhengisFarb paid civman2000 $175 rent
GhengisFarb paid UnOrthOdOx $125 rent
..........Total Income for Turn =-$155 (Cash=$11, Debt=$1000

jdd2007 sold 2 food at $40
jdd2007 sold 3 commerce at $30
..........Total Income for Turn =$170 (Cash $515, Debt $750)

Jonny sold 1 food at $30
Jonny sold 3 shields at $50
Jonny sold 3 commerce at $30
..........Total Income for Turn =$270 (Cash $420, Debt $1200)

Kloreep sold 2 food at $43
Kloreep sold 4 shields at $61 - PRICED ABOVE MARKET
Kloreep sold 2 commerce at $39
..........Total Income for Turn =$164 (Cash $462, Debt $1400)

Kramerman sold 2 food at $35
Kramerman sold 1 shield at $50
Kramerman sold 3 commerce at $30
..........Total Income for Turn =$210 (Cash $330, Debt $1500)

notyoueither sold 2 food at $39
notyoueither sold 6 commerce at $33
..........Total Income for Turn =$276 (Cash $276, Debt $1000)

rendelnep sold 2 food at $75 - PRICED ABOVE MARKET
rendelnep sold 3 shields at $105 - PRICED ABOVE MARKET
rendelnep sold 3 commerce at $40 - NOT ENOUGH DEMAND
..........Total Income for Turn =$0 (Cash $0, Debt $1020)

Shiek sold 2 food at $44 - PRICED ABOVE MARKET
..........Total Income for Turn =$0 (Cash $0, Debt $400)

Spiffor sold 1 food at $40
Spiffor sold 3 shields at $55
Spiffor sold 1 commerce at $35
..........Total Income for Turn =$240 (Cash $240, Debt $775)

UnOrthOdOx received $125 rent from GhengisFarb
UnOrthOdOx paid off $125 of debt
..........Total Income for Turn =$0 (Cash $125, Debt $225)

Anyone notice any mistakes/corrections?

CURRENT STOCKPILES
Discontinued.....(Mind you I still keep track so don't think about fudging your inventory.)

Besides, you'll sleep better not knowing......

CONSTRUCTION STATUS
Epistax has built 2 of ? on a building in a city/estate.
Franses has built 4 of ? on a building in a city/estate.
GhengisFarb has built 3 of ? on a building in a city/estate.

Last edited by GhengisFarb on 04-09-2002 at 15:51

	27-08-2002 15:44									#64
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A correction about me :
My debt wasn't $1200 but $970 at the beginning of the turn. I used all my cash to pay off debt ($195), i.e my debt is now $775, and my cash is $240 (I only pay off my debt with the income from previous turn)

	27-08-2002 15:59									#65
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor A correction about me : My debt wasn't $1200 but $970 at the beginning of the turn. I used all my cash to pay off debt ($195), i.e my debt is now $775, and my cash is $240 (I only pay off my debt with the income from previous turn)

Thanks, fixed it.

	28-08-2002 20:15									#66
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Ghengis

I think the shield calculation should be 20(18+2)/31(19+12)=$65

If I am correct this would mean that Kloreep sold 1 shield at $61 and perhaps you 1 shield $65. I never knew what happened if you were exactly on the default price so I always kept on the safe side. Suppose I am going to learn now what happens.

	28-08-2002 21:18									#67
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quote: Originally posted by Franses Ghengis I think the shield calculation should be 20(18+2)/31(19+12)=$65 If I am correct this would mean that Kloreep sold 1 shield at $61 and perhaps you 1 shield $65. I never knew what happened if you were exactly on the default price so I always kept on the safe side. Suppose I am going to learn now what happens.

There were 15 shields offered for sale:
3 by Jonny @ $50
1 by Kramerman @ $50
3 by Spiffor @ $55
4 by Kloreep @ $61
1 by GhengisFarb @ $65
3 by rendelnep @ $105
Leaving 20(18+2)/34(19+15)

Ahhhh. There was a typo in the Final Transactions report. I reported that Kloreep had failed to sell "1" when the proposal had been for "4". Usually any mistakes in the final report are the results of typos on my part as I have spreadsheet with all the formulas built into it that tracks sell prices, final profits, supply/demand, etc.

	28-08-2002 21:35									#68
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OK, I see you changed the 1 shield of Kloreep into 4. Did not check that myself. Only summed the number of shields in your post.

You may also want to change the demand of shields from 18 (16+2) to 20 (18+2). The end price remains $59 so it is not very important.

	28-08-2002 21:38									#69
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quote: Originally posted by Franses OK, I see you changed the 1 shield of Kloreep into 4. Did not check that myself. Only summed the number of shields in your post. You may also want to change the demand of shields from 18 (16+2) to 20 (18+2). The end price remains $59 so it is not very important.

Thanks, like I said most are typos, the computer's far more accurate about tracking and computing numbers than I am about copying them over.

	29-08-2002 05:23									#70
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I'm payng off debt with all of my cash.

	30-08-2002 07:20									#71
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When's turn 4 starting?

	30-08-2002 07:23									#72
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lol. I find myself strangely at ease when there are no turns...hmmm... I could never make it in business. Id die of a heart attack with in weeks...

	30-08-2002 11:04									#73
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quote: Originally posted by Jonny When's turn 4 starting?

We are waiting for you and other players that did not yet respond on the poll.

	30-08-2002 11:36									#74
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OKie dokie, except I'm not a very good judge of it.

/Edit.

Correct that.

The proposal to give forest and jungle food a bonus is folly. A forest has 1 food, 2 shield, 1 comm. The shields are scarce right now and go for a good price. Food is being killed. So the Forest holders need a further bonus? Nope!

The jungle tiles went at fire sale prices. The owners do not need bonuses to pay for cheap land.

What do you expect? I am a judge.

Last edited by notyoueither on 30-08-2002 at 12:11

	30-08-2002 21:14									#75
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The Jungle and Forest Food sources can't be improved to generate more food. They will only ever produce 1.

The grassland's food supply can be improved into Finished Goods and sold at higher prices. They can be irrigated to produce triple and four times as much as the jungle and forest tiles. The jungles will slowly disappear to be replaced by grassland.

That's why they were given a bonus.

Although I agree that shields don't need as much support as food and commerce do right now. That's why proposal two greatly improves the potiential prices of commerce and elimates some of the food production with the idea of purchasing captured labor.