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Vesayen is offline Vesayen
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Prove(or provide overwhelming evidence) to me the existance, or non existance of God.

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I am atheist and can't. I am just going with my gut feeling.

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There is no God... because limitless power is unattainable, and that is what describes God. It is impossible for him to exist, because there would alway belay the possibility that a stronger force exists, and if that possibility exists, that which is considered god is not truly God.

*wins*

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"There is no God... because limitless power is unattainable,"

Why is that?

"It is impossible for him to exist, because there would alway belay the possibility that a stronger force exists, and if that possibility exists, that which is considered god is not truly God."

If his power is limitless, then there is nothing bigger- the concept of infinity might wrap human's brains into a pretzel, but its a real lol.

"*wins*"

Nope lol.

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Prove to me you love your mother and that you arent out for her inheritance?


I cannot see love therefor I assume it does not exist.

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Prove to me you love your mother and that you arent out for her inheritance?


I cannot see love therefor I assume it does not exist.



Love is a combination of synapsis in the brain......its not tangible. And my mother isnt really very wealthy, so thats a bad reason .

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My judgement: If god exists who created god? (None of that omnipotent babbling I hear a lot) Therefore God does not exist.

Also I believe human beings have the right to think on their own, not to have some higher being to direct them. So that is another reason why I think god doesn't exist.

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Why is that?


Cos you can always get more powerful!

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If his power is limitless, then there is nothing bigger- the concept of infinity might wrap human's brains into a pretzel, but its a real lol.


So it is impossible for God to get any mor powerfu lthan he already is? Strange, I thoguht his power was such that he could do anything

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Nope lol.


I do in my own mind, and that's al lthat counts.

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My judgement: If god exists who created god? (None of that omnipotent babbling I hear a lot) Therefore God does not exist.

Also I believe human beings have the right to think on their own, not to have some higher being to direct them. So that is another reason why I think god doesn't exist.



Quantum theory shows that something can come from nothing(though I understand alot of the quantum theory stuff, I CONTINUE to maintain that it is bullshit, and we will find the true answers eventually, heh).

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Quantum theory shows that something can come from nothing(though I understand alot of the quantum theory stuff, I CONTINUE to maintain that it is bullshit, and we will find the true answers eventually, heh).


Than that theory basically proves my philosophy too. Something can come out of nothing... so why should their be a god? That theory really needs to be redefined heavily. I don't know crap about it and don't care as I am going with my gut feeling when it comes to religion.

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If god exists who created god?


A more powerful god?

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though I understand alot of the quantum theory stuff, I CONTINUE to maintain that it is bullshit, and we will find the true answers eventually


Superstring theory!

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Than that theory basically proves my philosophy too. Something can come out of nothing... so why should their be a god? That theory really needs to be redefined heavily. I don't know crap about it and don't care as I am going with my gut feeling when it comes to religion.



My gut dosent know, heh.

I've read tons of stuff on quantum theory, but it is so counter-intuative, that I cannot accept it as fact, or even as a coherant set of ideas......I am convinced we will come up with something more inteligent some day.

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Im saying to all the naysayers. You cant see love. You can assume its there. You cant see god. Yet its natural to assume somthing is there. How do you know what happens after your 6 feet under. You dont. Very few have lived to tell about it adn there descriptions are vague.


"There is no God... because limitless power is unattainable, and that is what describes God."

Not true. I can obtain limitless power over somthing. If only I was a computer programmer...



Things like Prayer also do things to chemicals in the brain? What does that mean..who knows?



g2g. cya folks

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My judgement: If god exists who created god? (None of that omnipotent babbling I hear a lot) Therefore God does not exist.

If time exists, what came before time?

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Also I believe human beings have the right to think on their own, not to have some higher being to direct them. So that is another reason why I think god doesn't exist.

No-one said that God had to be controlling your thoughts.

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Could God create a pepper too hot for even he himself to eat?

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Could God create a pepper too hot for even he himself to eat?



That is not a coherant question, it is just an inadequacy in our imperfect language which allows it to exist-because no language is perfect, things which arent really paradox's can be put into words to sound as such.

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Some satire:

http://facts4god.faithweb.com/thelist.html
http://iidb.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php?...c&f=54&t=000481

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bah, your escaping the question. Your not coherant!

Can an all powerful (omnipotent) being create a challenge even they can not overcome?

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JohnIII, as I said I am going with my gut on this one... that there doesn't have to be a god...

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Prove(or provide overwhelming evidence) to me the existance, or non existance of God.


Humans have created lots of concepts of God. Which one do you want a proof, or a refutation of (if such a thing is possible)? Do you want a proof that Zeus doesn't really exist? Or do you want a proof that "our" God does or doesn't really exist? Even then, there are multiple conceptions of what "our" God is.

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Who would win if Jesus and God got into a fight?

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Who would win if Jesus and God got into a fight?


well, presuming your point of view is that they are father and son... then God
presuming you think they are two entities of the tri-force (i cant remember what its called)... then the end of the world as we know it?

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The Holy Trinity?

So we'd all lose... bugger. But who'd win?

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bah, your escaping the question. Your not coherant!

Can an all powerful (omnipotent) being create a challenge even they can not overcome?


That is not a real concept, thats like asking for the square root of negative 2, its just an impossible concept put into words, by an imperfect system.

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bah, you escape the question endlessly because you cant find the answer

if it cant be explained, and it cant be fathomed, then it cant be.

i dont believe in a being with infinite power, and i think if there is a God, he doesnt have it.

If you had the cohones to answer a question with reason, youd answer the question in SOME way, other than just beat on human languages.

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If God were real he'd be able to tell us what the square root of negative two is.

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If God were real he'd be able to tell us what the square root of negative two is.


more importantly, he would reveal the caramilk secret.

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Prove to me that any of you exist.

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bah, you escape the question endlessly because you cant find the answer

if it cant be explained, and it cant be fathomed, then it cant be.

i dont believe in a being with infinite power, and i think if there is a God, he doesnt have it.

If you had the cohones to answer a question with reason, youd answer the question in SOME way, other than just beat on human languages.


Find me the square root of negative 2, then I'll answer, LOL! Its the same thing.

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you can't prove a negative, but in the adsence of credible proof for its existance atheism is the default position

 
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