02-09-2002 09:26									#151
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You heal us?
Your preachers could only screw up.
And we already returned to Mother Church, to Holy Russian Orthodox Church, a Church with more then a thousand years history.

	02-09-2002 09:32									#152
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short-timers...

	02-09-2002 09:34									#153
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quote: Originally posted by Faeelin To say the soviet union and nazi germany weren't "allies" in 1940 is a bit of a farce, considering how soviet propaganda cheered the fascists as smashing the evil imperialists. Oh, and the blatant annexation of eastern poland and negotiations between molotov and ribbentrop about carving up eastern europe count as something close to an alliance, in my opinion.

Is it somehow different from GB and France policy of cajoling Hitler (such as Czechoslovakia f.e.) and pushing him in war vs. SU?

quote: Especially how Stalin was unable to believe that Hitler actually attacked him. (he went into a near shock after the blitz).

Because Stalin was a foul, who beleived that he tricked Hitler with this non-agression pact, and that he won some time for preparation to war with Hitler.

	02-09-2002 09:43									#154
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quote: Originally posted by DanS short-timers...

And this saying an American? A citizen of country with less then 300 years of history.

	02-09-2002 10:03									#155
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Have you learned to speak Chinese, yet? I think your overlords will want you to speak your language...

	02-09-2002 10:04									#156
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Hey dude...watch out for the Chechens...I think they may take over your country.

	02-09-2002 10:21									#157
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Chinese, Chechens....
Yeah, right. You forget to mention about Martian threat.

	02-09-2002 11:24									#158
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Russsians are so funny. They lost their cold world, stripped of their superpower status, their economy turned to rubble. I guess Serb's behavior is how he deals with being a citizen of a loser country that is in the ashtray of history.

	02-09-2002 14:08									#159
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1) I'll say it again, if you don't mind- F*CK OFF.
2) We don't like Cold wars, we preffer hot, real wars. Cold war is for cowards.
3) We like to put our asses in troubles, time after time. It's our national sport. What didn't kill us, make us stronger.
4) Yes, we are funny and we love fun. Our sense of humor help us to solve big troubles we create for ourselves. It's better to laugh about problem, then whine about it.
5) It is you and your "state" without culture and less then 300 of history who will be on the ashtray of history soon. I wonder if someone will remember about Brithney after 200 years.
6)Have a nice day

	02-09-2002 14:09									#160
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Russian was a superpower for aprox 40 years and it won't be again.

	02-09-2002 14:12									#161
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Which Russian exactly?

What about Russian Empire existed since 1700?

Are you Nostradamus?

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Thank you very much.

	02-09-2002 14:18									#164
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quote: Originally posted by Serb Which Russian exactly? What about Russian Empire existed since 1700? Are you Nostradamus?

An empire does not a superpower make.

Ok there might be an outside chance you become a superpower again. but not soon, you've got a crap economy and a falling population together with a very big nasty neigbour just starting to flex its muscles

	02-09-2002 14:26									#165
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quote: An empire does not a superpower make.

Then who was a super power longer then we were? USA? For how long? Ten years? Big difference. The future will show how long they will be able to hold this status.

quote: Ok there might be an outside chance you become a superpower again. but not soon, you've got a crap economy and a falling population together with a very big nasty neigbour just starting to flex its muscles

Flex its muscles with our own help. You have no idea about scale of Russian-Chinese cooperation. Their army equiped with Russian weaponry. Perhaps its for you they are evil commies, for us they are freinds and partners. Today relationships between China and Russia a hundred times better then when we were a super power.
The bs about Chinese invasion in Siberia is no more then fairytales.

	02-09-2002 14:30									#166
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The US has been a super power since the turn of the 19th/20 the century.

It will be great comfort to you when you are confromted by your own weapons

	02-09-2002 14:35									#167
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quote: Originally posted by TheStinger The US has been a super power since the turn of the 19th/20 the century.

Fine. Then Russia was a super power since 1721 when we crushed Sweden.

What is your definition of Super power?

	02-09-2002 14:38									#168
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quote: Originally posted by Serb Fine. Then Russia was a super power since 1721 when we crushed Sweden. What is your definition of Super power?

A nation who economicaly, politicaly and militarily dominate large areas of the world, beyond their own immediate borders.

crushing Sweden doesn't count.

	02-09-2002 14:44									#169
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quote: A nation who economicaly, politicaly and militarily dominate large areas of the world, beyond their own immediate borders.

This is exactly the definition of Russian Empire since the Peter the Great reign. It was the LARGEST continious land based country in the world. It's the only competitor is colonial Britain.
Sweden under Karl XII was a European butt-kicking power. Very strong power. After its defeat Russians gained the Baltic states and access to Baltic sea.

	02-09-2002 14:47									#170
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No its not, you couldn't project power along way form your borders. On your definition Canada is a superpower

	02-09-2002 14:55									#171
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Canada is your former colony.
Why the f*ck Russians should projected their power to the edge of the world if they could took nearby countries? We projected our power pretty well. We took our neighbors one by one into our Empire. Some joined by force, some joined by "their own will". If expansionism is not a power projection, then wtf is it?
And btw, how exactly USA projected its power?

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	02-09-2002 15:26									#172
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Im not saying russia wasn't a power just that it wasn't a superpower.

America had the largest economy in the world by 1900 and was I believe kicking the Spanish out of the Philipines.

	02-09-2002 16:18									#173
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quote: Im not saying russia wasn't a power just that it wasn't a superpower.

As well as USA.

quote: America had the largest economy in the world by 1900 and was I believe kicking the Spanish out of the Philipines.

So what? Russia has the second largest GNP after USA and had better industry growth (I realise that it sounds weird, but it's true). We have 200 millions of population and those population occupied 1/6 of all world's surface land. Our currency was valuable as British curency and we had no inflation at all, even during Russo-Japanese war. Our agricaltural export was more then American and Argentinian exports combined. Pacific is an American backyard, we kicked much more asses and much stronger asses then Spanish in our backyard. F.e. Russian campaign in Italy vs. French or wars vs. Turkey in Turkey.
Why you consider that USA was a super power, while Russian Empire wasn't?

	02-09-2002 16:27									#174
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Complete toss.

The Russian economy was not a parch on the US, British,German,French economies.

Industrialization didn't start until the 1890's. You didn't even emancipate all the serfs until the 20 century.

Russia compared to europe and the US was backward, it was able to ponce about pretending it was a major power on the basis it had large amounts of troops to expend.

Once it needed economic strength aswell as alot of manpower it got beat.

You didn't have enough guns for your troops in WW1.

	02-09-2002 17:21									#175
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http://stabi.hs-bremerhaven.de/whkm...18941905ec.html

And btw, we emancipated all serfs in 1861.

	02-09-2002 17:35									#176
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quote: Originally posted by Serb http://stabi.hs-bremerhaven.de/whkm...18941905ec.html And btw, we emancipated all serfs in 1861.

I'm not sure raw output of pig iron shows anything. By the late 1890's Britain and Germany were producing high quality steel.

Big countries have big rail networks.

China and India produce in absolute terms produce lots of manufactured products, it does not make them advanced industrialised countries.

Russain was playing catch up and still had a long way to go.

EDIT- fair enough on the emancipation point i was talking bollocks on that one

	02-09-2002 17:39									#177
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Get Him, Stinger!

	02-09-2002 17:43									#178
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I'm glad to see you too Heresson
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	02-09-2002 17:47									#179
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Big posters telling people what to do, may work on russians not on us independant Brits

	02-09-2002 18:05									#180
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I always wondered why Serb likes this poster so much...