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Personally I couldn't care less if helmets be on the head or in the store, but what I care about is the problem with the turban. By making the turban illigal, they either get out of the country, or become part of the country... I simply just hate, when people are walking around with a turban. Don't take this as a: "I hate all other religions than my own", but it gives me the feeling that they don't like the culture of the country they're living in... and if they don't like it, why should they stay? They should go to a place, that's more like them instead of the opposite of them!
I remember I once read an article about the turban, the turban was NOT part of their religion, it was just a part of their culture... I've said it before, andI'll say it again: "If you're moving to some other place with some other culture, then you should become part of that culture"...
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Caligastia
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Does that mean I have to stop watching rugby?
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Caligastia
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Ah no, thats those vile australians playing that abomination of a game - Rugby League
Any rugby fan with the slightest hint of culture watches Rugby Union.
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Caligastia
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You must be a racist bigot MrFun, why do you hate people who wear turbans so much?
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Kontiki
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Aug 2001
time: 00:22
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I'd like to think that I'm quite tolerant to different cultures/religions/etc., and I'm certainly not going to lose any sleep over issues like this, but sometimes I do find myself thinking a little along the lines of ADG. I don't necessarily want to force people to conform to "our" (ie: Canadian) ways, but you do need to respect the place where you live. I remember when the whole RCMP turban thing was going on and sometimes I thought to myself "you know, the RCMP uniform is part of OUR culture. If there is some reason why your culture won't allow you to follow those traditions we have, don't join that particular institution".
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Lincoln
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Is there any part of the human experience that involves risk that the government is not obligated to protect by threat of prosecution?
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time: 00:22
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Originally posted by MrFun
Helmets minimize serious head injuries as both of us already know. |
When I'm biking on a treacherous rocky trail, then I wear a helmet because the odds of me taking a tumble are quite high and I don't want to have my head dashed open on a rock. When I'm biking on a flat gravel or dirt path I don't wear a helmet, because the risk of me taking a fall isn't very high and the risk of me being injured in a fall is minimal. Helmets are very uncomfortable, so if I'm in a low-risk situation I'm not going to wear one. (Whoever heard of somebody having their head dashed out on a dirt path?)
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So, please tell where the HARM is in implementing safety through government legislation if you already knew that helmets minimize serious head injuries.  |
It's an intrusive, unnecessary, and therefore stupid law.
Everybody knows that soft drinks are bad for you, so should the government legislate that nobody is allowed to consume more than two soft drinks per day? We have to protect the children, who might otherwise fill up on soft drinks and spoil their appetites!
It's one thing for the government to pay for ineffective public service announcements ("Dirt-paved bike paths: the silent killers!"), or to require warning labels ("Warning: Operating this bike on a dirt path without a helmet is a recipe for disaster!"), but it's another thing entirely when the government becomes intrusive.
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I think the life of a faithful Islam |
Sikhs are the one's in question here, not muslims, BTW.
Edit: Cross-post on the Sikhs.
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Lincoln
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Then of course they may not be the first in line... By the way, who is the "first in line" when a population destroys its health by overeating? Should there be a law to prevent overeating? Many heart attacks occur in obese people. Should we jail them or fine them -- or both?
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Dr Strangelove
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You know, I really think that if they tried to they could figure out a way to make a turban accessory for a bike helmet.
In the US medical care for head injuries is so good that we have entire institutions devoted to caring for the permanently vegetative. They're called "cabbage patches' by some of us in the industry. If you'd ever had to send a patient with a head injury to a "cabbage patch" you might have a different pespective on the bike helmet.
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Ethelred
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Originally posted by loinburger
I agree, I think that the Sikhs' protests are idiotic at best. Make a kevlar turban or something, it can't be that difficult...
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Well a tuban shaped helmet maybe but getting the shape just right would be a challenge. The key item in all helmets that I have seen is the shock absorbing styrafoam. Of course the shell must be there to spread the impact to a large amount of foam and to ward against penetration.
Kevlar helmets must be nice. My last one was a fiberglass full face Bell Star and the sucker weighed five pounds. I had to do neck exercises or I would get a strained neck. The kevlar helmets were just getting going then and the ones I tried on pressed in on my jaw joint so I had to get the heavy one.
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Lincoln
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Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Lincoln, as a person who goes around rescuing children, I should think you'd appreciate attempts to protect kids from idiot parents. |
I guess I don't consider parents who allow their kids to ride bikes without helmets "idiots". Why don't we require kids to wear a full suit of armor when they play? When I was a boy I climbed cliffs with my friends and went swimming in the ocean and did all kind of things that endangered my health and life. Kids jump off of rocks into pools and break their necks. It is always sad when a kid hurts himself but it is not the governments place to protect kids from all the dangers of growing up. I never even heard of helmets for bike riders when I was growing up and I don't think my parents were idiots for not making me wear one. I didn't wear one when I went surfing either. Like someone already said on this thread, the safest thing is to make the speed limit 1 mile per hour. Think of all the kids we would save...
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Caligastia
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Getting back to the original topic - I wonder which is more important to their God, that these kids wear their turbans, or that their heads are protected? Surely if they believe their God has any wisdom it would be the latter.
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Ethelred
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Originally posted by Frogger
Helmet laws are stupid. Driving is a more dangerous activity than cycling without a helmet ergo helmets should be mandatory for driving. |
People in cars have seat belts. In fact the helmet laws in the US would pushed hard by Joan Claybrook in the Carter administration to set a precedent for seat belt laws. Helmets won't help much in most car crashes. They help a lot in motorcycle crashes. The death rate doesn't go down as much as you might expect but the survivors are more likely to recover without brain damage. I recommend full face on a motorcycle. Open face helmets can save a life and still leave a person without much of a face left. Jaws have been destroyed.
Unfortunatly a closed face helmet just won't work on a bicycle.
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