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It would be nice if Global Warming could be offset by the addition of forests in the game. I have a civ in my current game that has a lot of squares between cities with access to water. I sent a worker to forest all of the non-productive squares in my sphere of influence when my civ was just entering the industrial era, but that was before I found out that it was pointless.
If Firaxis is going to put in the scientifically questionable concept of human induced global warming, then they should also allow for off-setting it with the increasing of CO2 consuming forests.
Just my .02. What's your opinion on this? Do you like the current method for Global Warming?
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hzm
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SMAC had this but trees didn't have as much effect as they should have. Anyway, you should also have to keep around a certain amount of jungle squares or (something).
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Sovereign
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I agree. Global warming should be more defined, with methods to curb it.
Also, Civ3 needs terraforming, like Civ2. I've had games where there were contients with mountain ranges 7 or 8 tiles wide! No cities or nothing.
It'd be like this.
| = coast
^ = mountain
- = hill
|-^^^^^^---|||
||^^^^^^--|||
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you get the idea?
I'll post a screenshot when I get another map with screwy mountain-contients.
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metalhead
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Global warming a fact?  You whackos really need to get a scientific understanding of the situation. Global warming may or may not be happening - the fact is, we don't know. It could be happening now - or, it may never happen. But I'll say this - volcanic eruptions put into the atmosphere, in one event, more "greenhouse gases" than the entire human race has put in by burning fossil fuels. Humans have raised the greenhouse gas levels in the atmosphere by less than 2%. Nature produces more than 50 times the amount of greenhouse gases than humans.
As for the Kyoto treaty, the US is NOT denying global warming as the reason for backing out. They backed out because it is completely unfair to the US. The US' productivity would be restricted far more than any other country in the treaty, and given the state of our economy that is NOT what is good for the American people.
I think that including global warming in this game is stupid. If they wanted to include environmental impact from pollution, they should have instead included more factual methods, such as poisoned groundwater causing population loss, ongoing pollution problems leading to completely unusable tiles for 20 or 50 turns, things of that nature. Getting a player to pay attention to pollution is a good idea - but calling it global warming is an insult to anyone with a fair-thinking brain. Also, the way it is implemented is stupid - I never have enough pollution to change more than a few tiles change. It has never been enough to cause me to worry about pollution.
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Demerzel
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the USA contains ~3% of the world population and causes ~25% of the world pollution iirc. maybe you guys need to cut back more than everyone else, you ever think that's why your "productivity" would be restricted?
all the other countries in the kyoto agreement have agreed to take steps to cut back emissions regardless of the financial cost to themselves. only the americans have decided to take the stupid short-term view and put themselves ahead of the environment. gfg America.
and americans wonder why they ( & their stupid president ) aren't exactly popular with the rest of the world atm.... things like trying to get out of the ICC too doesn't exactly help either but that's another matter.
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Demerzel
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sadly Global Warming is being linked with screwing up the Gulf Stream current, which if it cooled down and stopped flowing would leave most of Northern Europe & east coast of N. America seriously in trouble. IIRC avg. temperatures would drop up to ~10C for countries that relied on the current and would leave most peeps shivering. Scarily for me, apparently Britain might suddenly face Siberian-esque temps - a fair bit of rain is bad enough, -10C is not a pleasant thought 
if even a fraction of the Antarctic ice melted then sea levels worldwide would rise enough to raise sea levels a couple of metres which would right royally screw countries like Bangladesh, Holland and leave most low lying areas worldwide underwater - e.g. for Americans say bye bye to LA, etc..
Last edited by Demerzel on 28-08-2002 at 19:52
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Demerzel
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quote:
From http://www.esd.ornl.gov/projects/qen/nerc130k.html
The unstable nature of the Earth's climate history suggests that it may be liable to change suddenly in the future. By putting large quantities of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere, humans are exerting pressure on the climate system which might produce a drastic change without much prior warning. As the geologist W.S. Broecker has said, "Climate is an ill-tempered beast, and we are poking it with sticks".
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As it says, the Earth's climate is unstable but we're not exactly helping are we with all the crap thats being pumped into the atmosphere?
That's exactly why we need to cut back on the amount of pollutants that are being emitted. Stupid President Bush. Pity Gore didn't get in, at least he had a foreign policy, could have done a better job so far and couldn't have pissed off the world as much as Bush has.
Hmm mebbe too much anti-American rhetoric, must remember to tone it down in future, it's just that Bush is just so stupid at times.
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Traelin
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Miami, FL, US
Nov 2001
time: 00:22
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Originally I had made this post lengthy, but apparently my session had timed out and my message was erased. A lot of you couldn't be more wrong about global warming. Check out http://www.globalwarming.org/brochure.html for more info. What a lot of you are forgetting is that we have, on a geological timescale, just exited an Ice Age. Of course the temperatures are going to rise in such a scenario!
Also, nothing inflames me more than a bunch of uninformed Euros telling me, an American, why we didn't sign the Kyoto Treaty. Umm, how about doing a bit of research? The U.S. Senate voted 95-0 against signing it because the severest of penalties are put on the DEVELOPED countries, but there are no restrictions on DEVELOPING countries. Hrm OK, so our economy suffers, but the developing countries have no restrictions on their progress?
By the way, I don't think I've ever posted here before, but I'm REALLY sick of people bashing my country. Next time a disaster occurs in Europe, don't come begging the U.S. for help. Like when we rescued France from immiment doom in WW2 and in 1957 (I think that was the year). Or when we send our volunteers to help Earthquake victims in Turkey. For once I'd like to see you all do something to help us, instead of incessantly whining.
'Nuff said.
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