28-08-2002 18:44									#1
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OK, I'm throwing this out 'cause someone may know and Spiffor and Togas may not be around before I do the turns tomorrow (my time).

In the Turnthread orders for 290 BC thread is written this:

quote: Originally posted by Spiffor If possible during the turnthread, sell dyes to the Greeks, for lump sum if possible (Lytons per turn can do fine too). It should be impossible to buy luxuries from anyone.

Then, in the Official Minister Thread: 5 Turn Plan (topped), Togas wrote this

quote: Originally posted by Togas Foreign Ministry Orders circa 290 BC: No sales, trades, or purchases at this time.

To trade or not to trade? Assuming it is possible, that is.

Please help your President. My headache is getting worse.

	28-08-2002 18:49									#2
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I estimate it will not be possible to trade our dyes to the Greek during the next 5 turns anyway because their road to Mycenae is not finished yet, nor do I think it is likely that they will finish digging it in less than 5 turns.
Still it is necessary to resolve this contradiction in case I am proven to be wrong.

	28-08-2002 18:49									#3
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I would say do the trade if it presents itself....

However, this is far from the city planning, I doubt the greeks will connect themselves to us, and I have no real information on which should take precidence in a "legal and fair" mannor. So go with your judgement if it becomes an issue. I doubt it will.

	28-08-2002 18:54									#4
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Officially, the MOE, Spiffor, has control over GPT and Commodities.

	28-08-2002 19:45									#5
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quote: Originally posted by UnOrthOdOx Officially, the MOE, Spiffor, has control over GPT and Commodities.

I get a say in most trades ... tech, maps, cities, etc. But Spiffor does the resource only exchanges. It's odd, but that's how they worded it in the CoL.

If a trade were possible, I would happily approve it. My hope is that we can use our dyes and other resources to trade for technology once our trade network is linked.

--Togas

	28-08-2002 19:49									#6
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I believe the situation is resolved. Although I think Togas' intent was to avoid any tangling agreements until it was determined the direction we were heading, not necessarily avoid making money without tangling agreements.

	29-08-2002 01:40									#7
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Thanks. I consider this cleared up.

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	29-08-2002 02:44									#8
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Summary of the contradictory orders affair (translated from the diplomatic language used in the government offices to basic English):


The President : There is a contradiction between orders given by the acting Minister of Economy and the Minister of Foreign Affairs.

First Advisor : It is physically impossible that the event causing the contradiction happens during the next five turns.

City Planner : Act as you like. Anyway its not my business, and I don’t know anything about the problem.

The Vice-President : There is no contradiction, just an excess of power of the Minister of Foreign Affairs.

The Minister of Foreign Affairs : My official powers have been stupidly restricted, and I fear some wrong moves made by the acting Minister of Economy.

Second Advisor : I believe the situation is resolved. Although …

The President : I will act as if this were cleared up.

	29-08-2002 02:56									#9
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Ah, but that is not quite it. In my need to find a solution to this that meant I could always pass the buck if challenged (as all Presidents should be able to do), although I read all of Togas' post, I could have claimed that all I read was this...

quote: Originally posted by Togas bla bla bla bla bla blaa blaaa ... bla, bla, bla, etc. But Spiffor bla bla bla bla bla. bla bla, bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla CoL. If a trade were possible, I would happily approve it. bla bla bla bla we can .... trade bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla. --Togas

Thus the matter is resolved.

	29-08-2002 03:21									#10
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Funny thread .

Actually, that reminds me, I really should open up the savegame and check out one or two things...

-- adaMada

	31-08-2002 23:04									#11
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quote: Originally posted by adaMada Funny thread . Actually, that reminds me, I really should open up the savegame and check out one or two things... -- adaMada

hi ,

that can always be usefull , ....

lets hope that with PTW we get a better overview , ...

have a nice day