29-08-2002 01:30									#1
	Is Homosexuality due to toxins in our environment? Remove this text

This seemed a bit far-fetched, but it is intriguing that some gender could actually be influenced by environmental components.

quote: Can Prenatal Hormone Exposure Influence Gender-Identity Development? -- One Theory A NARTH member recently sent us an intriguing comment by physician John R. Lee, M.D. Writing in What Your Doctor May Not Tell You About Menopause, John Lee, M.D. described the possible role of prenatal hormones in influencing the later gender identity of a developing fetus. Speaking of xenobiotics---environmental pollutants which have a hormone-like effect on the body---Dr. Lee said that when a pregnant woman is exposed to such chemicals, they may blur sex differences in her unborn child. The resulting gender distortions, he theorized, could account for some instances of homosexuality when the child grows to adulthood. Dr. Lee noted an earlier, similar finding: mothers who took the synthetic hormone DES during pregnancy were more likely to have daughters who developed vaginal and cervical cancer, and a higher-than-normal proportion also became bisexuals or lesbians. Theorizing that environmental pollutants could have the same effect, he concluded, "If xenobiotics can blur the distinctions between the sexes in seagulls and alligators at nanogram levels, how far-fetched is it to speculate that the same pollutants may be affecting humans in the same fashion?"

	29-08-2002 01:32									#2
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When the Green turns on the Pink, it's an ugly sight.

	29-08-2002 01:32									#3
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After reading the first three paragraphs I pretty much thought the final paragraph. So probably, but not homosexuality, at least not any typical form of it.

	29-08-2002 01:34									#4
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Wouldn't gender identity be more related to transexuality rather than homosexuality? Or are they talking about gender identity of possible mates?

They could be a bit more clear...

	29-08-2002 01:35									#5
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Homosexuality and Transgenderism are not the same thing, and this guy seems to have totally confused the two.

	29-08-2002 01:35									#6
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I think they are saying that toxins in the environment screw people up and make them gay.

	29-08-2002 01:35									#7
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Doesn't really work in the case of identical (mirrored) twins where one is gay and the other is straight - fairly common, I hear.

	29-08-2002 01:40									#8
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One could have gotten a dose of toxins and the other didn't...or fought it off somehow.

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quote: Dr. Lee said that when a pregnant woman is exposed to such chemicals, they may blur sex differences in her unborn child. The resulting gender distortions, he theorized, could account for some instances of homosexuality when the child grows to adulthood.

The doctor is using very confusing terminology. Sexual identity and sexual orientation are two different things, but he is blurring them together.

The hormones may indeed have an effect on sexual identity, but I don't see any basis for saying it effects orientation.

	29-08-2002 01:45									#10
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It is an interesting twist on the "born gay" argument, in that is seems to say that yes, it is biological, but not heaven sent, rather, a result of using too much hairspray or Raid around the house.

	29-08-2002 01:45									#11
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Toxins are your enemy and must be flushed out your system.

South Park anyone?

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Toxins screw people up, period. It may well screw up their gender identity, but if someone born a man lives as a woman, I would not consider them gay to be attracted to men.

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Yeah, I read the article and it seems like he was talking about transexuality to me rather than sexual orientation...

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Orientation.

The process of making something asian.

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quote: Originally posted by SuperSneak It is an interesting twist on the "born gay" argument, in that is seems to say that yes, it is biological, but not heaven sent, rather, a result of using too much hairspray or Raid around the house.

What would explain cases of homosexuality prior to mass pollution, then?

	29-08-2002 01:54									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov What would explain cases of homosexuality prior to mass pollution, then?

Malnutrition.

Botulism.

Plaugue.

Polio.

Smallpox.

Take your pick.

	29-08-2002 01:55									#17
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How about homosexuality in animals in Africa?

	29-08-2002 01:56									#18
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Lack of pretty lady animals. They couldn't use make-up back then.

	29-08-2002 01:57									#19
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How about Homosexuality in environmentalists?

	29-08-2002 01:58									#20
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Tofu poisoning.

	29-08-2002 02:02									#21
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quote: Originally posted by SuperSneak Tofu poisoning.

Saw some cases of that in my tour of '65. Not a pretty sight. Poor buggers.

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Seriously, I saw a show in which A study was conducted, on Male crocodiles living in polluted waters. It was shown that their genitalia were underdeveloped.

	29-08-2002 02:06									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Azazel Seriously, I saw a show in which A study was conducted, on Male crocodiles living in polluted waters. It was shown that their genitalia were underdeveloped.

I can assure that is not a common trait among human male homosexuals...

	29-08-2002 02:07									#24
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One must have some serious balls to study crocodile genitalia.

	29-08-2002 02:07									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Azazel Seriously, I saw a show in which A study was conducted, on Male crocodiles living in polluted waters. It was shown that their genitalia were underdeveloped.

It takes a helluva man to check a croc's genetalia...

	29-08-2002 02:08									#26
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I can see serious discussion of this topic has petered out...

	29-08-2002 02:12									#27
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@ Boris.

They tranquilize them first , I think. But imagine that...

Croc: Hey, what the..... hmmm, that feels nice, keep going, keep going....

	29-08-2002 02:22									#28
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Hmmm...I don't know...we can't deny that toxins have a serious biological effect. Gender blurring seems to be a pretty logical result.

	29-08-2002 02:24									#29
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I know there is something really wrong with San Francisco (maybe some hippies poisoned the water like thirty years ago) but normally I wouldn't tie toxins to transgenderism or anything like that.

	29-08-2002 02:25									#30
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It is one possible result, but it is not likely the major cause of homosexuality, since that has existed everywhere in all cultures at all times as far as we can tell.