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DeathByTheSword is offline DeathByTheSword
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UN CONSTITUTION


This is the constitution that we, the people of the United Nations Peacekeepers, have decided upon. In it, we have declared that we shall form a government of the people, a Democracy, in which
we shall choose who leads us. Our faction will be let by the people and for the people.

ARTICLE I: Commission Structure


Executive Branch

This is the administrative section of our faction. The Executive branch is made up of the Commissioner and the Alpha Talent. These two are required to abide by the suggestions of the directors, who represent the will of the people.

Commissioner:
Has the right of:
*Playing the game for the citizens
*Acting as he deems fit if there is an emergency
*Advising any other part of the government

Has the duties of:
*Following directors orders on there field of expertise
*Posting SAV`s and turnlogs on the forum
*Overall keeping the citizens aware of there situation.
*Holding turnchats (as long as possible) 2 times a week
*making turnthreads and keeping them updated

*Posting polls on how our bases should be named
*Serving his faction the best he can

The Commissioner shall physically play the game.

Alpha-Talent:
Has the right of:
*Acting as he deems fit if there is an emergency
*Taking over the Commissioners seat with its right and duties if the current Commissioner is somehow not available.
*Starting elections
*Advising any other part of the government

Has the duties of:
*Posting polls he hear the peoples voice
*Posting elections polls
*Posting cabinet threads for his term
*Posting nomination threads
*Being a substitute when a goverment official is impeached or has resigned

*Serving his faction the best he can
The alpha talent is the second of the commissioner and is responsible for elections, finding out what the people want and helping the commissioner as best as his abilities let him.


Director Branch

Directors make up the directorate. Directors are elected in the area they oversee, and they have the task of informing and advising the people on our situation. They are required to conduct polls in order to interpret the people’s will. They are then to carry out that will, by giving their orders to the Commissioner.

All Directors are allowed to advise and consult with each other. They are also granted the right to petition for changes or actions from other Directors that may be critical to the their department. Ultimately, however, it is the Director in charge of his/her section that has the final say in how things are handled.

All directors will have to post their general strategies in the 'office' thread. This will outline possible situations where the commissioner can not ask for orders from the directors but will have to act on the general orders.

Director of Science:
Has the right of:
*Starting polls to ask the people what there wishes are in his area
*Ordering the Commissioner what the next researched advancement is
*Advising any other part of the government
*Requesting buildings with the Director of buildings productions

Has the duties of:
*Starting polls to ask the people what there wishes are in his area
*Listing to the will of the people in his area
*Giving his opinion to the director of foreign affairs about any talks, which effect his area, with other factions
*Serving his faction the best he can

The director of Science shall choose the advancement to research.

Director of Peacekeeping Operations:
Has the right of:
*Starting polls to ask the people what there wishes are in his area
*Ordering the commissioner to move military units
*Ordering the commissioner to design military new units, disband old military units and upgrade current military units.
*Advising any other part of the government
*Requesting buildings and military units with the Director of buildings productions.

Has the duties of:
*Starting polls to ask the people what there wishes are in his area
*Listing to the will of the people in his area
*Giving his opinion to the director of foreign affairs about any talks, which effect his area, with other factions
*Designating a portion of his units as exploration units
*Serving his faction the best he can

May NOT:
Start wars if there hasn’t been official poll that says it is ok

The Director op Peacekeeping Operations has the control of all military units


Director of Foreign Affairs:
Has the right of:
*Starting polls to ask the people what there wishes are in his area
*Ordering the commissioner on talks with foreign factions
*Advising any other part of the government

Has the duties of:
*Starting polls to ask the people what there wishes are in his area
*Listing to the will of the people in his area
*Maintaining good foreign connections
*Giving his opinion to the director of Exploration and Intelligence on covert ops actions
*Consulting for advice any other director if his area is being discussed with foreign factions
*Serving his faction the best he can

May not:
Declare blood truce, peace, pacts if there hasn’t been a poll saying it is ok.

The Director of Foreign Affairs will do all foreign negotiations

Director of Energy and Industry:
Has the right of:
*Starting polls to ask the people what there wishes are in his area
*Ordering the commissioner to rushbuild, use money in trades, change worker placements, and move crawlers
*Advising any other part of the government
*Requesting crawlers and buildings with the Director of buildings productions.

Has the duties of:
*Starting polls to ask the people what there wishes are in his area
*Listing to the will of the people in his area
*Giving his opinion to the director of foreign affairs about any talks, which effect his area, with other factions
*Serving his faction the best he can

This Director is responsible of the treasury expenditures, worker placements, and crawlers.

Director of Terraforming and Colonisation:
Has the right of:
*Starting polls to ask the people what there wishes are in his area
*Ordering the commissioner to move terraformers and colony pods
*Ordering the commissioner to design new TC units, disband old TC units and upgrade current TC units
*Advising any other part of the government
*Requesting terraformers colony pods, and buildings with the Director of buildings productions.

Has the duties of:
*Starting polls to ask the people what there wishes are in his area
*Listing to the will of the people in his area
*Serving his faction the best he can

Director of Expansion and Terraforming commands all colony pods and terraformers

Director of Social Engineering:
Has the right of:
*Starting polls to ask the people what there wishes are in his area
*Ordering the commissioner to change the social engineering’s page
*Advising any other part of the government

Has the duties of:
*Starting polls to ask the people what there wishes are in his area
*Listing to the will of the people in his area
*Consulting for advice directors which are effected by changes made in the social engineering’s page
*Serving his faction the best he can

May NOT:
Change the social engineering settings if there hasn’t been a poll saying it is ok.

The Director of Social Engineering is responsible for the social engineering’s page

Director of Exploration and Intelligence:
Has the right of:
*Starting polls to ask the people what there wishes are in his area
*Ordering the commissioner to move any exploration units and covert ops units
*Asking the director of Peacekeeping Operations for exploration units
*Advising any other part of the government

Has the duties of:
*Starting polls to ask the people what there wishes are in his area
*Listing to the will of the people in his area
*Consulting the director of Foreign Affairs during covert ops actions
*Giving back control of exploration units to the director of Peacekeeping Operations when the situation asks for it
*Serving his faction the best he can

The Director Exploration and Intelligence is command of exploration units and covert ops units.

Director of Base production:
Has the right of:
*Ordering the commissioner to build buildings and units
*Advising any other part of the government
*Starting polls about Special Projects

Has the duties of:
*Choosing between various requests made by the directors
*Starting polls about Special Projects
*Listing to the will of the people about the Special Projects
*Serving his faction the best he can



ARTICLE II: Government policy


Amendments:
Amendments to the Constitution can be submitted by any member of our faction. First in a form of a thread where exact lines can be discussed and after that in a poll. An amendment is passed and made official by a 2/3 or greater vote on the amendment's inclusion.

Office Terms:
All office terms shall last one month. A member can run for a different office at the end of his term, but he cannot change offices during it. If a member is elected three times into any government office, that member may not run for any government office the fourth consecutive term. After the fourth term he may run for any government office that is available. If this rule let not have a fully seated government, the rule will be deemed invalid for that term.

Impeachment and Resignations:
Every member of our faction is recognised the right to bring foreword the issue of impeachment of any government official at any time. The constitutional court will look at the demand and determine if an impeachment progress has to be started within 48 hours of the impeachment demand
The rules for the poll:
*There has to be started a one-choice-poll with the options: YEA, NEA and ABSTAIN
*5 days open
* 2/3 YEA vote to pass the proposal or under 1/3 NEA vote to pass the proposal

the rules for the first post:
*The unbiased reason why the person in question could be impeached
*The job of the person in question
*The time when the poll ends

If impeachment happens the alpha talent takes his place until a new election has been held.

Every government official may resign from office the alpha talent will do the same as with impeachment. If the alpha talent has to take over 2 or more government places we will freeze the game until new elections are held.

Playing ahead:
No person is allowed to play ahead to:
*Gain information about foreign factions

Base Names:

The alpha talent or the commissioner will pick 5 names from the name thread and will put them in a poll where a name for a new city can be chosen. This poll has to be open for at least 2 days. The name with the most votes will be chosen for the base and will be scraped from the list. The same counts for landmarks. If someone wants to name a place without a landmark a poll has started about giving it a name or not. This poll will also have minimum of 2 days.



Article III: Polls


There will be 3 types of polls:
*Elections
*Official
*Unofficial


Elections:

May only be started by the alpha talent. Must have election
in the subject line. They are purely decision-making polls.

Poll:
*Office in question
*ONLY names candidates
*Abstain option (will Refrain from banana)
*Write-in-option
*3 days open

First post:
*ONLY names candidates
*Link to discussion thread
*Expire date



Official:

May only be started by a government official. Must have official in the subjectline, and must be used as information gathering or decision making

Poll:
*Abstain (will Refrain from banana)
*Write-in-option
*Minimum of 3 days
*Maximum of 7 days
*Clear and not biased question and answers

First post:
*Further explanation of the questions and answers
*Link to discussion thread (if any)
*Expire date
*Stated: information gathering or decision making



Unofficial:

May be started by all members of the faction. They are purely information gathering polls

Poll:
*Minimum of 3 days

First Post:
*Expire date (if any)
*Link to discussion thread (if any)

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Anyone who votes NEA will be forced to provide an alternate constitution.



p.s. & FYI: it's usually spelled "NAY", DBTS. Don't ask why. English is just weird.

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DAMN I MEND TO SAY THAT GOT MIXED UP sorry everone. but you are right if someone votes NEA or NAY then i can tell you this

TYP YOU OWN F***ING CONSTITUTION

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Vote YEA. Honestly, things may come up later in the game, but with the experiences of two other Demo games to work with, I haven't found a single problem with this AT ALL.

Well done DBTS and all who had input in this Constitution.

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quote:
Originally posted by DeathByTheSword
TYP YOU OWN F***ING CONSTITUTION




YEAH! AND SPELL CHECK IT TOO


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Sorry for disappearing -- starting college took more time than I thought. DBTS, the constitution looks excellent, and I commend you for putting it together when I dropped the ball.

I'll still be around somewhat, but won't be able to post nearly as frequently.

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Good job, guys.
All my original criticisms have been addressed - and if I find anything else, I'm sure I can pass an amendment.

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Very good constitution, I fully support it.
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Very well done

I've watched it every step (though not always commenting ), and this is definately the best.

Z

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tanx for the support you guys and i want to say tanx to everbody that gave his opinion if there ever going to be a new CC count me in..

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I don't think there'll be a need for that, DBTS. You've done a fine job, created a very good constitution, and most probably eliminated the need for a Civ3-style revolution six months down the track.

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Last day of the poll...
You can still overrule the Constitution... if you vote really hard

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* 2/3 YEA vote to pass the proposal or under 1/3 NEA vote to pass the proposal


Maybe this should be clarified to point out there must still be more YEA than NEA votes to pass a proposal in case there's under 1/3 NAY votes

btw, I'm not the most active member in this demo game, but I'll make sure to check in when I have the time. Do we have any summary thread where you can get a quick overview of the most important things going on?

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its topped. "official poll results"

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ooh ooh. add or ammend. perhaps if a cabinet member is not heard from for a certain period of time, they may be impeached (i'm worrying about crisler for example)

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i thought we covered that

but there's no need to be worrying about that in crisler's case

he was away, and now his computer's stuffed...as long as he keeps in touch, i can't see that it's a problem - it's not like he can help it.

times like this...is what we have me for

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perhaps if a cabinet member is not heard from for a certain period of time, they may be impeached (i'm worrying about crisler for example)


Hmm... Impeachment is too harsh a word for that, it sounds like he committed a crime or something. But yes, I agree with the idea. Of course, if the cabinet member properly announces that he's in a situation where he cannot dedicate to the game wholly, he could nominate someone to take his place, or just withdraw and let others pick his successor.

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This thread should be topped. Or perhaps the constitution should be copied into a new thread and that should be topped.

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about topping: solver revealed his deepest darkest secret: he's not the one topping the treads for us. he's PMing Ming, and ming's doing it

the whole time he was pretending he could mod our forum


and yes, it should be topped, but in a different thread not polluted by other people posting.

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the whole time he was pretending he could mod our forum


Yes I know. I read it too. How dared he do that??

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Before I voted I thought about voting no just to piss DBTS off. BUT I didn't. So you can't kill me!

TBB runs away laughing, but doesn't notice the open manhole...

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Before I voted I thought about voting no just to piss DBTS off. BUT I didn't.


of course not! you don't want to have to supply your own constitution...

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*helping TBB out of the manhole to give him a kick between the ...*

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Got a little Question. Is the Director for Energy also responsible for the tax rates ? (Economy/Psych/Science) ?

Would make sense.


P.S: Just heard the Dirctor of Social Engineering has this responsibility. It is ok. Didnt think wide enough. Again

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may i say to the DEI (Lemmy) that we want to order a military unit that not yet has the exploration title somewhere this is in contradiction with the constitution.

SEE this THREAD FOR more info:
http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...&threadid=60758

i wanted to post there but i am not allowed so i am doing it this way. the DOP (GeneralTactitus) has to assign the scout unit to exploration first!

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In our Constitution...
Director of Peacekeeping Operations:
Has the right of:
*Starting polls to ask the people what there wishes are in his area
*Ordering the commissioner to move military units
*Ordering the commissioner to design military new units, disband old military units and upgrade current military units.
*Advising any other part of the government
*Requesting buildings and military units with the Director of buildings productions.

Has the duties of:
*Starting polls to ask the people what there wishes are in his area
*Listing to the will of the people in his area
*Giving his opinion to the director of foreign affairs about any talks, which effect his area, with other factions
*Designating a portion of his units as exploration units
*Serving his faction the best he can

May NOT:
Start wars if there hasn’t been official poll that says it is ok

The Director op Peacekeeping Operations has the control of all military units

Director of Exploration and Intelligence:
Has the right of:
*Starting polls to ask the people what there wishes are in his area
*Ordering the commissioner to move any exploration units and covert ops units
*Asking the director of Peacekeeping Operations for exploration units
*Advising any other part of the government

Has the duties of:
*Starting polls to ask the people what there wishes are in his area
*Listing to the will of the people in his area
*Consulting the director of Foreign Affairs during covert ops actions
*Giving back control of exploration units to the director of Peacekeeping Operations when the situation asks for it
*Serving his faction the best he can

The Director Exploration and Intelligence is command of exploration units and covert ops units.


Nowhere are the terms "military unit" and "exploration unit" defined (at least, I don't see a definition - if they are defined, that settles the issue). Military units can be marked for exploration, but it's not clear in the Constitution whether some units are inherently Exploration Units. In SMAC, there are "Combat Units" and "Non-Combat Units", but there are further classifications. If you look under the base screen and change production, you see all the squares with the different things you can build. You'll notice that all units have a color and a little blurb below them - units with high attack are "Assault", units with high defense are "Defense", units with both seem to be "Attack", and units with neither, like a Scout Patrol, are "Exlporation/Defense".

Since Scouts, then, can be built for Exploration or Defense, I propose that the Director who has control over them is determined by what our Director of Base Production puts in the queue. His current queue is Garrison/CP/Scout; my interpretation, which seems to be backed by the SMAC categories and is not contradicted in the constitution, is that even though the Garrison and Scout are the same 1-1-1 unit, the Garrison is under GeneralTacticus's control since the Director of Base Prodution clearly has chosen the word "Garrison" to signify a Defense unit. The Scout is under Lemmy's control, since by the choice of words it's obvious the Director of Base Production wants an Exploration unit.

Thus I propose that the control over Scout Patrols depends on whether the Director of Base Production calls for them to be built as "Scouts" or "Garrisons", specifying which use of the Scout Patrol is intended (according to SMAC, remember, Scout Patrols are "Exploration/Defense" units). With Scout Rovers, I propose the Director of Base Production should call for either "Scout Rovers" or "Rover Garrison" depending on which meaning is intended.

On our Independant Scout Patrol, the general consensus is that it should be used on Exploration, but we don't really have much of a time for a poll. So we don't stall the game pondering these issues, hopefully GeneralTacticus can come in and say "OK, if it isn't an exploration unit already, it is now"

Z

PS - isn't this the kind of Constitutional interpretation issue what we were thinking of when we discussed having a court?

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