18-11-2000 14:50									#1
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Turn 47 to Madrid.

My Children,

I, in my infinite wisdom, have deigned to ease the strain upon your eyes by creating a new Thread. Please indulge an aged Saint by Posting here in future.

I hope soon that my Missionary will arrive at the gates of a Welsh City to further spread the light of my Love for Mankind. I eagerly await the visit of the Mythical Inca envoy so that all remaining doubts over their existance can be dispelled.

Love Eternal,
St Jon, Joy in a World of Sorrow.

	19-11-2000 04:26									#2
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To Stavros of the Australians,

It is unfortunate that I cannot accede to your demands as this territory is already Spanish and has been for some time since the foundation of two seperate settlements by Spain in the area...

If you had accepted our offer of a map exchange some time ago, perhaps this unfortunate misunderstanding might not have happened in the first place as we would have been able to ratify our borders with ease...

I also find it hard to believe that you had already discovered that river area before sending the Phalanx - were you checking it was still there?

I don't know where your cities lie, so how can I agree to a border when your cities may lie a great distance away? Certainly your Empire seems far flung in that Darwin, Brisbane and Sydney (for example) seem to cover a vast area I need some form of proof to believe you are this far south too!

Madrid is not trying to be difficult, but you must be able to back up your demands with substance - especially when Spanish interests are already so firmly ensconced in the area... I ask you now out of friendship to turn back your Phalanx and offer a map exchange so that we can settle this issue fairly and amicably...


CREDO

Tomas de Torquemada

	19-11-2000 09:09									#3
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To my good neighbors of Spain and Australia:

We offer the use of the Incan border city, RA-Tapul, for a summit meeting between your great nations regarding this border dispute that has surfaced.

Quinns of the Inca
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Turn 47 ==> Stavros

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Turn 47 to Quinns

Now rested and refreshed, our intrepid Diplomat is on the road again, this time toward the great Inca nation.

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Turn 48 to St. Jon --

St. Jon, Did you want to turn this game - LC - into a rated one starting on turn 50? If so, it would be great to have the Spanish, the Welsh, and the Greek leaders to become rated also . I am sure they are all Deity players (21.000), but just to confirm would be good.

The Incan people look forward to actually seeing a representative from Greece. The streets will be lined with spectators upon his arrival, but do not be alarmed. The Inca are very curious to see a dignitary of the fabled Greek lands.

We see that the Australian diplomat has made his way north to RA-Tapul. May we offer him a night's stay in our humble city? He is very welcome.

Quinns of the Inca

	21-11-2000 04:26									#7
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Turn 48 to Madrid.

Brother Tomas, I am deeply moved that your selfless committment to our mutual struggle against Sin and Ungodly practises has caused you to send a Pikeman to protect my Settler. You are truly a Man of God!

My Congregation in the fair City of Rennes waxed delerious in delight as I blessed their new Bank at it's opening ceremony. My Flock have laboured long and hard in the pursuit of their adoration of me and were deeply in need of a place to deposit their donations as the population has grown to the point where the Collection Boxes simply were too small. My Love does indeed know no bounds.

Blessings Upon You All,
St Jon, Salvation amidst Sin.

	22-11-2000 02:34									#8
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Brother Jon,

Indeed we always seek to provide escorts to foreign dignatories when they enter our lands...

It would seem that your settler has become momentarily disorientated and has accidentally strayed onto Spanish lands...

We kindly ask that you remind him that the sainted lands of France lie to the East.

It is, as always, a pleasure doing business with my esteemed neighbour and colleague of the cloth!

CREDO


Tomas de Torquemada

	22-11-2000 21:19									#9
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Turn 48 ==> Stavros

Such heresy! Quinns, to think that one can beat The Lord almighty himself and then be rated upon his ability!

Yeah ok then!

	23-11-2000 10:00									#10
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My Bedeviling Thomas...

You are right... It seems that I was lax in patrolling my borders, and you managed to slip in a settlement (on the border of an existing town I might add). Do you have the presumption to tell me that you didn't know there we now share city borders?

Nothing to be done. Can I expect a peacefull coexistance, or should I see this as a prelude to furthur expansion into my lands?

The appearance of a slaver in our forest does not reasure me in the least. Be quite wary of the path you wish to take, for you are truly in the heart of my teritiory...

Breaker Morant
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	23-11-2000 05:44									#11
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Ahhh! The Welsh... Greetings Welsh leader "The True One". Yes, how could I possibly think to "rate" someone for having a higher power graph rating than the Lord. What was I thinking!?

So Jon, will this game be "rated" come turn 50?

The True Demosthenes of the Welsh, would you be so kind as to welcome a diplomat from Inca in the near future (6 or 7 turns)? Only a small ocean separates us from your great nation. Our seasoned naval diplomat would be most pleased to meet with you.

	23-11-2000 08:49									#12
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Turn 48 to Quinns

Representatives of France and Spain have been observed holding some sort of "get-together" high in the mountains west of Dijon.

While the purpose of this shindig is not immediately apparent, it seems likely that it is a deeply spiritual matter, based on the reputations of the participants for piousness and deeply held religious convictions! Surely a great closeness will result betwen these two world leaders!

Xenophon the Observant

	23-11-2000 10:31									#13
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Turn 49 to St Jon ---

The Lord Be With You.

	23-11-2000 20:20									#14
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Turn 49 to Madrid.

His Purity has asked that Brother Tomas note that he currently has Units North of our agreed Line of Demarkation. A Sacred Oath was made that France would not move beyond that Line and that has been honoured. It is hoped that the positioning of Spanish Military well above that point is merely a navigational error rather, perhaps a misreading of their current latitudinal position, than any deliberate attempt to provoke conflict for conflict's sake.

An offer was made to Madrid last Turn in the hope of averting any conflict of interests but it was with deep sorrow that no reply, not even an outright rejection, was received. These Forces are a direct threat to the sacred Mustard producing City of Dijon and in the interests of Peace Upon Earth should be withdrawn.

Cardinal Pecher,
Archbishop of Faverges.

Quinns, I have no objection to the 'Rating' of LC but feel that it is really only appropriate if all Players in the Game agree to participate or it will distort the figures. So if it's yes from all then OK, otherwise no.

Jon.

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Greetings Brother Jon,

Our agreement was the land border stretching from Tours to Rennes - nothing was mentioned about the land on the other side of the sea... I have been very open with you with map exchanges and advances - really if you had had a query at all about our border agreement, I fail to see why you didn't mention it earlier when my Pikeman and your Phalanx were doing the Tango just West of our current 'bone of contention'? Or for that matter the fact why you have neglected to be concerned about several cities of mine - all of which are N. of Faverges...

The fact is that I have claimed previously unclaimed territory so there should be no grounds for dispute.

I apologise for not having replied sooner, however urgent matters of state precluded my prompt reply...

You have by the fastest carrier pigeon Spain's official response and a fair border proposal to repair our cordial relations!

CREDO


Great Breaker of the Australians,

Indeed I did not know that we now share city borders...! I see no city within at least 5 leagues of Ponteverda - as I prove to you when I present to you a document bearing my border proposals! If you wish, I could prove it to the other World leaders by circulating this document to them also???

Could this be a legend of some mythical city of your ancestors - lost for all eternity?

Of course I am peaceful - I merely ask that you reveal the locations of your cities so that I may know where not to expand... With respect, the heart of your territory seems bereft of any Australians save the odd wandering phalanx or diplomat.

Finally there is no Slaver in your forest (though there is one in mine!), and following the ruthless manner in which you despatched the Incan slaver who accidentally strayed onto your lands without warning - I doubt very much whether he would be inclined to venture forth into your lands!

Indeed he must be searching for escaped heretics, as our slavers only enslave those who trespass on our lands...


CREDO


Tomas de Torquemada

(P.S. Quinns - you have my permission to rate me...)

	25-11-2000 10:24									#16
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Turn 49 ==> Stavros

Perhaps now is a good time for the great leaders of the world to firmly and undeniably establish national boundaries.

Three reasons come to mind why now seems the appropriate time:

[*] To put an end to the quarrel between Spain and France.

[*] To avert any reasons for war and conflict.

[*] To celebrate the coming turns jubilee.

	24-11-2000 23:09									#17
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Ahhh... Diplomacy, The root of all evil.

Turn > Rick

(RP to be inserted here, hopefully soon)
BTW Im in for rating, since Im rated already anyway...
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	25-11-2000 05:03									#18
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Quinns, as we have full participation in Ranking you can count LC in as a Rated Game.

Jon

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Jon, I didn't see the endorsements by The True Demosthenes or Rick Elkins, but I'll take you word on it. I've added all of them to the ratings as deity players (21.000) as, I believe from your comments, they are all "very" good players, and can whoop deity A/I easily. (See CTP Ratings (21-Nov-00) for more info on this).

Alright, as of turn 50, "Love Conquers?" becomes a "rated" game. That means that at the end of turn 59, the last player (me) will take a screen shot of the power graph and the ratings for all players will change based upon the results of the screen shot. Solver will then approve the rating changes (as he is Ladder Administrator). Anybody may request to see a copy of the screen shot. See "PBEM Ladders?" regarding how ratings calculations work. This cycle will continue again on turn 60, 70, 80, etc. and the ratings will change at the end of each 10 turn phase.

	25-11-2000 06:09									#20
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Turn 49 to Quinns

Greek workers toil from dawn to dusk creating the great Pan-Hellenic highway system...

	25-11-2000 06:47									#21
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Rated Turn 50 to St Jon ---

	25-11-2000 07:09									#22
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Turn 50 to Madrid.

His Purity has agreed to the provisional Spanish border proposals. The Pursuit of Love, Peace and Understanding have always been the driving forces behind the 'Sinless One' and so they remain.

Cardinal Pecher,
pp St Jon, Salver of Souls.

	25-11-2000 21:58									#23
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Turn 50 ==> Stavros

Demosthenes is pleased to hear that the border dispute between France and Spain has been resolved. We in Wales are glad to hear that 'Peace and Understanding' have prevailed.

	26-11-2000 00:23									#24
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Turn to Rick

	26-11-2000 01:17									#25
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Turn 50 to Quinns

That the inevitable collision of cultures has now taken a more civilized route is celebrated in Greece on this 50th marker of our existance in this world.

	26-11-2000 09:17									#26
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Turn 51 to Jon --

Nothing but good news to report from the land of Inca. Diplomats on their way to France and Wales. (We didn't get a rejection from Wales, so... he's on his way!)

Incans echo Welsh and Greek sentiment concerning peace.
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Turn 51 to Madrid.

My devout Missionaries go about their toils and one now stands at the very Gates of a Welsh village. I have heard disturbing rumours of Armed Welsh Tribesmen upon the Sacred Soil of France. Please, Beloved Demosthenes, sendeth not your Men at Arms upon reconaissance missions into the Blessed Land. Your Diplomat will be welcomed with open arms but understand that in France the mere mention of the words sword, spear or gun are blasphemy against my name.

Love unto All,
St Jon, Truth amidst a World of Falsehoods.

	27-11-2000 00:34									#28
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It is indeed worthy of note that all the border disputes of late appear to have been settled amicably and respectfully...!

Spain congratulates the people of this peaceful planet for their sentiment...

CREDO


Tomas de Torquemada

	27-11-2000 01:36									#29
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Turn 51 ==> Stavros

Noble St Jon,

After our cartographic exchange I see that Welsh knights were indeed heading into your territory, and so they have been withdrawn.

To show our goodwill we have agreed a framework document for peaceful relations. It is expected that further negiotiations will take place in Nice, but it seems that a number of Welsh lumberjacks are insisting upon a clause using forests as sinks. However, do not pay too much attention to this as it is rumoured that they had a flagon of ale or two before their protestations.

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Demosthenes.
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	27-11-2000 03:04									#30
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Turn > Rick