29-08-2002 10:12									#1
	6 people shot to death in AL. This would not happen with gun control Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations

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I'm so tired of this. There are 6 people that will never contribute to society. They will never make a husband for some girl. They will never start a family. They will never help someone in need.

When will the carnage end? When will people realize that the NRA are a bunch of nuts clinging to outdated ideals?

And some of this happened in a mobile home. Obviously mobile homes are the source of most domestic violence from white trash. I propose along with banning guns we also ban mobile homes. These things are death traps in hurricanes, earthquakes, floods, and tornados. And the lack of a stable home also cause increased violence.

	29-08-2002 10:18									#2
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Unstable? Do they like, rock a lot?

	29-08-2002 10:19									#3
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Hear, Hear....And yet nothing changes.

	29-08-2002 10:20									#4
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If mobile homes are death traps, and mobile homes only house white trash, then what's the problem?

	29-08-2002 10:23									#5
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Yes, exactly loinburger, in fact we should build more and use them like mousetraps; just put one on every cul de sac.

	29-08-2002 10:25									#6
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And we should also issue a free unregistered firearm with each mobile home because its cheaper to bury them than put them in prison.

	29-08-2002 10:57									#7
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Sick bastards.

	29-08-2002 11:02									#8
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hey I'm considered white trash. Not all white trash is bad ya know.

damn this used to be such an easy troll. come on! somene has to be for guns.

	29-08-2002 11:55									#10
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ok, ok, i'll say it....
Guns don't kill people, people kill people, when will you anti-gun sissies learn that.

	29-08-2002 12:01									#11
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just for the record I'm not an anti-gun sissy. I only take that position for troll purposes. I own a 9 mm glock-17. I use hydro-shock hollowpoint ammunition. Although I'm not sure I like my glock too much anymore. I may go with an old fogey weapon. I'm thinking about getting a revolver .

Any suggestions for a good revolver?

	29-08-2002 13:06									#12
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Obviously hydro-shock hollowpoint is a must for target practice...

	29-08-2002 15:34									#13
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"-Sir, why do you need that M60 Standard Military Issue Light Machine gun?
- errmm... m , it's for hunting. yep , that's right."

Oh , and I am pro-guns, btw.

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Is it because Americans they have small penises that they need to have a gun?

	29-08-2002 16:57									#15
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quote: "-Sir, why do you need that M60 Standard Military Issue Light Machine gun? - errmm... m , it's for hunting. yep , that's right."

Taking down those two-legged dear can be a real *****. Especially the uniformed ones.

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obviously the hyrdoshoks aren't for target practice. They are too expensive. Although I have fired them at targets before to see if there was a difference. Usually I use parabellum rounds.

do we need a gun? of course not. But considering most criminals have guns I feel a little better with one. I'm sure it has nothing to do with penis size.

Now you could make a case with Americans driving big SUV's having small penises.

	30-08-2002 00:38									#17
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quote: Originally posted by TheStinger Is it because Americans they have small penises that they need to have a gun?

But the Japanese people in the Chinpokomon episode of South Park said we have huge ones.

	30-08-2002 00:40									#18
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I'm pro-gun and pro-gun control. I think honest, responsible, law abiding citizens should be allowed to own guns. I think what's necessary is to make getting guns harder for criminals. The first thing you can do is create a much more elaborate screening process required for gun licenses. It's easier to get a gun license than a credit card these days.

Second, I'm in favor of taxing guns heavily to make them more expensive. This would also make illegal weapons more expensive and harder to get.

Because human beings are evil, violent animals; you will never have a utopian society without gun violence. The only thing we can hope to do is decrease the proliferation of guns.

	30-08-2002 00:41									#19
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I'm confused. Are you trying to bait some pro-gun people into an argument by saying you own hollow-points?

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Sava - as soon as you amend the Constitution to allow laws to be made specifically so that they can apply against one segment of the population (ie prospective gun owners), and as soon as you pass an amendment allowing people to be screened before conducting a private business transaction, you can go ahead.

Fortunately, my **** will turn purple and smell like roses before we Constitutionally allow bills of attainder and create such a police state.

	30-08-2002 00:48									#21
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it's alabama... what's the problem?

	30-08-2002 00:49									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Sava Second, I'm in favor of taxing guns heavily to make them more expensive. This would also make illegal weapons more expensive and harder to get.

I dunno, it might just make illegal weapons cheaper than legal weapons. You don't want people turning to the black market just to avoid sin taxes...

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quote: Originally posted by David Floyd Fortunately, my **** will turn purple and smell like roses before we Constitutionally allow bills of attainder and create such a police state.

I thought that bills of attainder were orders of execution.

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No, a bill of attainder is a legislative act that singles out an individual or group.

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quote: Originally posted by Sava Second, I'm in favor of taxing guns heavily to make them more expensive. This would also make illegal weapons more expensive and harder to get.

Why would someone selling an illegal gun bother to charge tax?

I've shot recreationally. I feel that most people are responsible enough to own guns. Unfortunately, there is a small group that isn't responsible, and it seems beyond the capability of any bureaucracy to accurately determine the identity of that group and bar them from owning guns. So they ought to be banned for everyone's safety, despite the fact that I like shooting.

It's curious that the most violent people in the world (Americans) are the only ones who are entitled by their nation's constitution to own guns. I can't figure out which is cause and which is effect, yet.

	30-08-2002 00:59									#26
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quote: Originally posted by David Floyd No, a bill of attainder is a legislative act that singles out an individual or group.

Are you sure? The dictionary says

quote: A legislative act pronouncing a person guilty of a crime, usually treason, without trial and subjecting that person to capital punishment and attainder.

So yeah, it singles out an individual or group, but an order of execution kinda has to. Otherwise, how's everybody going to know who they're supposed to execute?

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quote: Taking down those two-legged dear can be a real *****. Especially the uniformed ones

oh, you better change that tune. THEY are watching....

About guns , I have a cliche that suits my line of thought:
" Guns don't kill people, People do. "
People will still be able to kill someone , with the kitchen knife. That won't stop anything. Why not allow guns ? ( handguns, Shotguns, Rifles )

	30-08-2002 00:59									#28
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quote: Sava - as soon as you amend the Constitution to allow laws to be made specifically so that they can apply against one segment of the population (ie prospective gun owners), and as soon as you pass an amendment allowing people to be screened before conducting a private business transaction, you can go ahead.

A private business transaction which involves the sale of a good which its inherent (not incidental) use involves the harm of another person, innocent or otherwise(possibly a child) deserves to bear a little more scrutiny than most business transactions.

I agree with Sava. Tax em'. Extend the waiting period. And for pete's sake, sell em with a damn trigger lock.

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quote: Originally posted by Sava I'm pro-gun and pro-gun control. I think honest, responsible, law abiding citizens should be allowed to own guns. I think what's necessary is to make getting guns harder for criminals. The first thing you can do is create a much more elaborate screening process required for gun licenses. It's easier to get a gun license than a credit card these days.

Oh? Care to specify which "gun license" you are referring to, or was that an empty claim that sounded good?

quote: Second, I'm in favor of taxing guns heavily to make them more expensive. This would also make illegal weapons more expensive and harder to get.

Actually, it won't.

The black market has it's own little laws of supply and demand. Making legal weapons more expensive only makes life difficult for honest people, but then some people actually want that.

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quote: A legislative act pronouncing a person guilty of a crime, usually treason, without trial and subjecting that person to capital punishment and attainder.

It normally involves an act punishing someone, not necessarily with the death penalty, but what is an arbitrary tax? A punishment, I'd say.

quote: A private business transaction which involves the sale of a good which its inherent (not incidental) use involves the harm of another person, innocent or otherwise(possibly a child) deserves to bear a little more scrutiny than most business transactions.

Funny, knife sales aren't screened - and exactly what purpose do you think a Bowie knife was designed for? Killing, that's what.

Also, the primary use of rat poison is killing - and it has certainly been used in the past to kill humans, and is reasonable to assume that it will be again, yet I don't see special taxes or permits for rat poison.