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of naught
Aug 2001
time: 22:22
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Originally posted by MrWhereItsAt
From what I have seen right now, it seems that we want at least one city in the peace deal (beyond any that we may raze or take by force), and we will push heavily for Feudalism, though it seems very unlikely we will get any good deals there.
Jean is being a right possessive little b*tch about it all, and refusing to submit (now THERE's a sight  ), so I think we can't ask for much more than this, and with Avignon (new capital) so far off, we may have to end the war very soon. |
She still has forces in the field. We must defeat them, then she will be more malleable.
BTW, shouldn't we have our elites moving with the combat stacks? Better chance of leader generation that way.
Also, shouldn't we have more spear in French territory? Better to defend a sword stack with a spear than a sword.
My $0.02, and that's prolly what it's worth since I haven't been paying close enough attention.
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Shiber
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Haifa, Israel
Jul 2002
time: 07:22
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My humble opinion is as follows:
First, all thoughts of taking the miserable towns the French are offering instead of Feudalism seem absurd to me. Those towns are hardly of any use to us and we can conquer them later in a 2nd campaign, whereas Feudalism is much more important. Feudalism will finally give us the ability to garrison our border towns with strong units. Furthermore, it will put us 13 turns ahead research-wise and will put us one step closer to chivalry.
Some people have raised an eyebrow when they realized that Joan will still not settle for less than 256 gold for Feudalism even if we throw in a RoP as well. Many are saying that this offer is "an insult". I ask you to be rational and realize that middle ages techs cost a lot more than ancient ages techs do. The other civs want all our money and some gpt in exchange for Feudalism, so I don't think a mere lump sum of 256 gold is an insult. Furthermore, I don't think we have a choice: we MUST get Feudalism NOW or we'll simply be left behind! Remember: a civilization with no techs has no future.
Now, some people have suggested that we destroy Rheims and then return to the negotiations table and see if Joan has lowered her price. I don't support this move because:
- We can take Rheims later, in a 2nd campaign. Destroying Rheims now will be nearly a total waste, since it will only save us 10 or 15 gold off the price of Feudalism according to my estimate. Plus, Greece is more than likely to settle there before we manage to get a settler of our own to that spot.
- We need to end this war so we can safely finish the road to Chartres and bring dyes to our new towns and wines to the rest of our empire so we can allow a few garrison units serving in Mingapulco as military police to leave their post and help protect the border towns.
- Our swordsmen in the French front are needed in the German front to help capture Hamburg.
- Continuing the French campaign means delaying the 2nd American campaign. Delaying the 2nd American campaign means giving the other AIs more opportunities to capture America's incense while we're still preparing our armies for the assault.
* To sum up: buy Feudalism from France in exchange for a peace treaty, a RoP and 256 gold. It's a great deal and we can't pass it down.
Btw, if we do continue the war then I suggest that we fortify the swordsmen outside of Marseille this turn so they'll have a defense of 3.2 (combined with the river bonus and the terrain bonus) against the French swordsman that's about to attack, thus bending the odds in our favor.
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Shiber
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Haifa, Israel
Jul 2002
time: 07:22
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quote:
Originally posted by Spiffor
My feelings on this matter are :
Although I'd love taking both Feudalism and Rouen for peace, I think we must sue for peace+RoP now.
We have the military potential to raze Rheims (there is one warrior there right ?), but it would mean the Greeks would settle the place even before we have a settler built. I prefer the French keeping the place.
The odds are in our favor for the upcoming Battle of Port Rouge. But we can't be sure about our victory there. And should we lose Port Rouge, this war will last waaaay longer than expected if we want a good peace. I don't think we can afford such a risk.
It is likely the French swordsman near Marseilles (to be renamed Jerusalem, by Togas) attacks our swordsmen. If we continue the war, it's a sure thing this swordsman will die eventually. But he has a good chance to defeat one of ours when attacking (and he could resist one counterattack if we lack luck). Our army must remain as big as possible for the upcoming American war. We must keep losses at minimum.
Thus, I say we sue for peace now, and get Feudalism for RoP + 245 gold.
We should sue Persia for Peace if possible, once we're at peace with the French. |
So true indeed. I second every word of it.
Well, I said every word but not every number: it's Feudalism for RoP + 256 gold.
EDIT: Sorry, you're absolutely right. 245 gold it is.
Last edited by Shiber on 31-08-2002 at 03:40
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29-08-2002 20:38
I typically ignore typos but when they actually change the definition of the word and make a comprehensible sentence..........
) he forgets about it.
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