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GO GO GO!
Mar 2001
time: 23:22
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Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia
Conservatives are always afraid of the left because sooner of later, the left will win out.
Slavery? Segregation? The conservaties supported both, but in the long run, they were unable to keep people 'in their place.'
In the short run, the conservatives may be able to keep things from changing, but in the long run, the left has always won. |
Thanks Lawrence, you hit the nail right on the head. Conservatives want to preserve the status quo, or regress. And they succeed just as long as they keep the population happy enough. People were content living in feudal systems... until a certain point... people were content with slavery.... until a certain point... people were content with segregation.... until a certain point... the next revolution in the human existence is going to be one in terms of freeing society from being economic hostages and allowing people equal opprotunities to live long, productive lives. Eventually, there is going to be one huge middle class of people... some near the top, some near the bottom.... but everyone will have the chance to make something of themselves and get some of the pie.
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Ya Im thinking the same thing. Anybody who thinks a conservative throughout all history is to be defined as someone who is opposed to change is really wrong.
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Conservatives didnt support Slavery. You could toss the coin and say it was Liberals who decided to declare there indepence in the South and prolong the liberty of slaves.
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btw just to get the record straight. Im a libertarian. I hate both. We should all be left alone in the end. Life is too short to conform or try to impose anything.
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Lawrence of Arabia
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of the Gulag Archipelago
Apr 2001
time: 06:22
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Originally posted by leftover_crack
This is very much untrue. History does not follow this pattern. The Roman empire and there liberal excess ways of life fell. |
The Roman Empire fell beause it was unable to support the needs of its people. The Emperor was a fraud, and the ruling class did not want to do anything to help protect the empire. They just ate and got fat.
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Its all a pendulem. When the left goes to far the right pushes them back and vice versa. The Soviet Block just fell. The Soviet block was very leftist and was the champion of ultra-leftists. |
How left was the soviet bloc? There was no freedom of election, or of speech, no civil liberties, or personal freedom. There was no democracy in place. The workers were not the ruling class. However, the economy was centralized, and everything was state owned. When you look at it, the Eastern Block was not the socialism which Marx had envisionsed. This socialism was more authoritarian, and less socialistic than Marxism.
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FYI painting conservatives as opposing Slave liberation and other things is EXTREMELY misleading. If you are labeling anyone who opposes any event in history as a conservative. Than you should go back and re-examine the politics of the time. Lincoln was a Conservative for the time in all of his political aspects. Except on 1 issue, Slavery.
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Lincoln wasn't really against slavery. He just wanted to save the Union and if he could do it by freeing none of the slaves, then he would do it, but if he had to free all of the slaves, then he would do it. Conservatives favor the status quo. In this case, the Democrats from the south (the 19th Century Conservatives) were for slavery. They favored the status quo.
Here's another example
99% of all of the worlds monarchs had conservative leanings. Why? Because they did not want to lose their power. They favored the status quo.
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Understand? See if you infer Conservatives dont want change. Then you are misleading or misunderstanding the political spectrum and history of the person in question.
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Not quite. Myabe an example so that I could understand better?
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When america is sick of Redneck cowboys in the white house, well elect another Saxaphone player. And the pattern will continue.
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Agreed
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Socially, one can say the Liberal point of view always wins. This is true. But considering the last 100 years of Western Enlightment and Technological Renissance. All this comes to end soon. People are rolling back Liberal policies left and right here in america. Why? Liberal Policy tends to follow a line of how people feel at the moment and not common sense or preventive actions.
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Thats funny because I feel that way about conservative policy. 
Farm prices falling? Quick! Slap on tarrifs. Nevermind that we will be hurting the 3rd world, or that this will cost Americans millions of dollars
Uncompetitive Domestic Steel? We need to save jobs! Tariffs will do the trick.
Again, costing American consumers millions
The problem in America is that there is no party which represents me. As long as there is the electoral college, there will only be two elected parties, and they will collaborate and represent only special interests.
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Originally posted by Fez
What can I say I am a teenager...
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I am also a teenager
BTW on the politial compass test I rated
Economic left/right: -0.64
Authoritarian/Liberatarian: -5.5
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Ethelred
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I can defend my position and I have argued enough for one day.
Go through this thread and see my responses. |
I saw them. To paraphrase
Liberals suck
Conservatives rock
Your wrong
I am right
No it isn't
Yes it is
You favorite method of supporting youself is to claim that you allready did it in your previous posts. Occasionaly you accidently say something that might be construed as an attempt to give actual real support. Isn't about time they stopped being accidents and start being intentional?
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02-09-2002 00:23
It's a good thing we aren't going out... you'd be on the couch tonight 
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