11-01-2001 10:25									#31
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R2_Islands, Turn 19, Power Graph Results:

Kralj Matjaz, Aaginor, Quinns, Solver, King Thor

	11-01-2001 15:15									#32
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> If Slamp, Thor, Frazer and Birdman are in favour of it then let DC become rated.
> Neither Slamp or Frazer are involved in any other Games and will simply lose points
> for inaction which does not reflect their abilities.

I'm ok that Dc become rated even if Jon and me are at war and Jon is winning
I guess some players don't want to be rate for few turns (20 ?) as they inherited a healthy position. I mean King Thor and Birdman.


I will post tomorrow Dc grading according to power graph.
Is-it possible to use history of the power graph to rate it ?
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	11-01-2001 21:30									#33
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Slamp, regarding using history of Power Graph to rate games... sure, provided ALL players agree 100%.

	11-01-2001 21:36									#34
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Okay I only agree 65% what do we do then?

	12-01-2001 10:03									#35
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King Thor... then you become a politically centrist moderate... like me!

	11-01-2001 23:44									#36
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I like the idea, as long as we have all the turn since 9, to ...9.

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	12-01-2001 00:16									#37
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I don't care about my position when I accept a game to be rated (see Conquer and Monkey 2).

If my position is too low - I will have to raise it or loose. That is that....

As a matter of fact - if Monkey 2 gets rated, I will surely understand if Lung or Paul just kill the english in one single action (they would certainly get into a war with each other after that action, but that would not be my problem )

It would be easy. And I would accept my loose without objections.

I would probably do that myself if the game was rated...... and I was in either in the position of Lung or Paul
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	12-01-2001 00:23									#38
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I like your attitude Birdman.

	12-01-2001 01:05									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Stavros on 01-10-2001 06:01 PM I'm not sure if Team Spirir should be rated!!?? I'll talk to the players. I think TS is a bit of a special case since it is a team game, and I'm not sure how we should rank it. After all, one team member may sacrifice stuff (gold, tech, men) to the other, in order to help his teammate. This would hurt his individual ranking while furthuring his cause. No One player can win. Only a team. So I'm not sure if it is apropriate to rate these games. But (as always) I'm open to discussion [This message has been edited by Stavros (edited January 10, 2001).]

Well we could figure out of something.
We could be rated from the average of our score and teammate's score for example. I think we could do something like this for all team games. They are special case of PBEM games but we could find a way to rate these games too.

	12-01-2001 04:42									#40
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Birdman, I wouldn't mind having the Monkey games rated, but I haven't proposed it to the other players because these games have advanced so far that the players' positions are unlikely to change and lower ranked players in these games would be unlikely to want to be rated. But I might change my mind of other players from the Monkey games would post here to say that they are interested in getting these two games rated.

	12-01-2001 05:21									#41
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Team Games ummmm... How about this? ---

We treat the team as a new individual player, with the beginning of the team name beginning with TEAM_ e.g. TEAM_BRITAIN_1 or TEAM_RED_5, (I'm not very creative but anyway, start with TEAM and keep it somewhat short and separate it with "_" like in the example).

I hesitate to mention this because it creates MORE WORK for me, but I don't mind much. I could spell out the current team members as a new sub-report. We determine the intitial "team" rating by taking the sum of all the team players' ratings and dividing by the number of players on the team.

I believe it would be much too confusing to fairly apportion part of a rating change to the individual players within a team game. Even if the players on the team change, the rating would only change by match play via rated team games.

NEVERMIND. This won't work because I wouldn't know whose power graph to use when determining which team is ahead!
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	12-01-2001 18:50									#42
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Dutcheese Ranking (from 1st to 8th):

turn 129 : december 10th 2000
Klair, Slamp, St Jon, Don, King Thor, Duck Hunter, Frazer, TheBirdMan

turn 119 : november 12th 2000
Klair, Slamp, St Jon, Don, King Thor, Duck Hunter, Frazer, TheBirdMan

	12-01-2001 21:34									#43
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Not much change is there?

	13-01-2001 10:25									#44
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Hi Slamp,

Please use the full Apolyton handles of the players. I'm not that familiar with nick names. And also, avoid using parentheses please unless designating unrated players. A player in parentheses means that that player wishes to play in an UNRATED status.

We need to get Klair, Don, and Duck Hunter intitially rated, (unless these are nick names of existing rated players). Plus -- You did get all their approval that Ducheese would be rated starting on turn 99, didn't you?

Please get the initial ratings of the above unrated players by determining what their highest solo defeat of the CTP A/I ever was. Cheiftain through Deity.

Thanks.


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	13-01-2001 03:10									#45
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I doubt that Klair would be interested in being rated but I think from the fact that she seems to be miles ahead in every game she is in it would be safe to assume her to be Deity Level!

I don't know about Ed, aka Duck Hunter, but he is very experienced and his poor ranking in DC does not do him justice. He just drew a short straw and was isolated for a very long time so his tech was pitiful. Again though, I doubt he would be much interested.

Don = Max Webster and I think you know everyone else.

Jon

	13-01-2001 04:06									#46
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Thanks Jon,

Can you ask Ed and Klair if they want to be rated? I would do it, but they don't know me from Adam! Or are you recommending making them unrated in this game?

Quinns

	13-01-2001 06:26									#47
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I will post to the Group but I think it safe to assume that it will be a no from both. If it isn't I think you can regard the rest of us to be in a battle for second place for Klair is awesome and, as far as I can see, near enough untouchable. The PG does not count for much in terms of small gaps but when you are doing well, as I think I am in DC, and someone is still over twice your ranking that really does hit home!

A damn good Game would be seen with her and Mobius, definitly the two best Players I have ever encountered, though the evil devils would probably just ally and grind everyone else into dust in nought seconds flat!

Jon

	14-01-2001 00:01									#48
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Sorry, won't be able to change the ratings until at least Monday. Still pending ..9th turn rating updates for: Lung's Fast, R2_Islands, and Love Conquers? ... please be patient. My home computer is still under repair.

Jon, what does DC stand for anyway?? I figured out the other abbreviations, but I can't get this one.

	14-01-2001 02:55									#49
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My guess would be that DC = Dutcheese. But I may be wrong.

	14-01-2001 18:58									#50
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Paul you're right DC means Dutcheese, the one who wrote this QuickStart

turn 139 : january 13th 2001
Klair, Slamp, St Jon, max_webster, King Thor, Duck Hunter, Frazer, TheBirdMan

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	16-01-2001 23:01									#51
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Klair: deity level

	16-01-2001 23:08									#52
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Team games are making me think. And, of course, let's have DC rated - Quinns, we're still waiting for your company to give you back your PC .

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	16-01-2001 23:20									#53
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Love Conquers? Turn 69 Power Graph results:
Mobius, Stavros, Rick Elkins, St Jon, Quinns, The True Demosthenes.

I got my computer back. I will do all the updates tomorrow night [edit ] (pacific time).

Thanks Slamp. I still need your confirmation that all the players agreed to the rated status since turn 99. Also, I need Duck Hunter's intiial rating (that is his real handle name, right?). I won't do anything with Ducheese until I get this information from you. Thanks again.
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	17-01-2001 14:33									#54
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About turn 99, nobody agree, nobody disagree... so let's begin at turn 119. I asked Duck Hunter aka Ed about is level.

	17-01-2001 21:32									#55
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Hail all.

For Paul and Birdman:

I wouldn't mind if the Monkey games be rated. Like Birdman said, you gotta play with the cards you're delt sometimes. I've won poker games with a pair of ducks and ace high........

not often but it's happened lol

Besides it looks like I'm in danger of inactivity, so if I'm gonna lose points, I want to earn those lost points

Yeti

	17-01-2001 21:41									#56
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Well, because you are the game starter, Slamp, once you get Duck Hunter's initial rating, I'll make Ducheese rated effective turn 119. If there is any dispute among the players as to the rating status, we'll punish you with a big negative adjustment!

	18-01-2001 03:07									#57
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Okay.. rate Dutcheese effective turn 119. But dont count me in. I joined Dutcheese (replaced Luk) at around turn 126-127. I think the soonest you can count me would be Turn 139. I've not been playing the time before that so I dont think I should be rated for something I had absolutely nothing to do with.

	18-01-2001 07:12									#58
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Love Conquers?, Turn 69 power graph, 12-Jan-2001 --
Mobius, Stavros, Rick Elkins, St Jon, Quinns, The True Demosthenes.

Eagles at War, Turn 9 power graph, 17-Jan-2001 --
TheBirdMan, Kralj Matjaz, Quinns, Krash, Notuncommon, Solver, Fraze, Arthur

	18-01-2001 09:54									#59
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