01-09-2002 00:48									#31
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Ok, I don't see how selling for a high value is bad, but I'll change my vote to no.

	01-09-2002 01:16									#32
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quote: Originally posted by skywalker Yes, Nimitz, you can edit your post as much as you want until he session is over.

You don't edit your post you quote it and post changes underneath your quote. (Otherwise people would edit old proposals after the market closed to get extra $)

	01-09-2002 01:26									#33
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code:
House Ghengis Land Holdings in the Province of Mingapulco
Turn #: 003 
Holdings: 
House Ghengis:
"Apolyfield" - 004 Apolyton NW (grass), 
"Jungleister" - 015 Termina NE3 (jungle), 
"Ghengis Mountain" - 022 Tassagrad NW (jungle)

Leased from adaMada:
005 Apolyton NW10 (mined grass rd)

Leased from civman2000:
008 Apolyton NE1 (mined grass rd)

Leased from UnOrthOdOx:
013 Termina NE1 (jungle), 
014 Termina NE2 (jungle)

Leased from Kloreep:
006 Apolyton NW11 (mined grass rd)

Stockpile(s): 
GhengisFarb Estate: 0 food, 1 shields, 3 commerce
adaMada Estate:.....0 food, 3 shields, 3 commerce
civman2000 Estate:.0 food, 1 shields, 1 commerce
Kloreep Estate:.....0 food, 4 shields, 0 commerce
TOTAL STOCKPILE..0 food, 9 shields, 7 commerce

Cash: $166 
Debt: -$1000 (10% interest, 13 turns remaining on grace period) 
Buildings: (3 of ?) Building? 

Administered by: GhengisFarb, First Ghengis of House Ghengis 

Last turn's completed trades: 
GhengisFarb sold 9 food at $43
GhengisFarb paid adaMada $110 rent
GhengisFarb paid civman2000 $175 rent
GhengisFarb paid UnOrthOdOx $125 rent
..........net Cash Flow =-$155
Production this turn: 11 food, 5 shields, 4 commerce
--- 

Proposed Deals: 

Sell 7 food @ $76 (D:S 32/23 (18+5)=$139)  
Sell 11 commerce @ $55 (D:S 48/23 (12+11)=$104)
Pay civman2000 $175 rent
Pay adaMada $110 rent
Pay UnOrthOdOx $100 rent
Pay Kloreep $100 rent
Bid $5 each for two French Workers

TAVERN IN APOLYTON
Hire 1 labor from Apolotonia @ $26 (D:S 1/4 =$25)
Use vassal from Shiek 
Use vassal from adaMada

TAVERN IN BHQ
Hire 1 labor from BHQ @ $26 (D:S 1/4 =$25)
Use vassal from UnOthOdOx
Use vassal from civman2000

STOREHOUSE ON ESTATE OF GHENGISFARB
Use my vassal 
Use vassal from Kloreep

Last edited by GhengisFarb on 01-09-2002 at 01:42

	01-09-2002 01:38									#34
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code:
The Jungle Gazette Estate: FINANCES ONLY
Turn #004
Stockpile: 0 food, 0 shield, 0 commerce
Cash $125
Dept: -$225

Administered by: GhengisFarb

Proposed Transactions:
Bid $5 each for 4 Workers of ANY Nationality.

	01-09-2002 01:42									#35
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quote: Originally posted by skywalker code: Skywalker Corporation, Turn 4. Admin: Skywalker Holdings: Tile 019, S Tassagrad, 2/1/1 Buildings: None Stockpile: 0+0 food 0+1 shields 0+0 commerce Production: 2 food 1 shields 1 commerce Cash Change: $0 0 Selling 0 Buying Current Cash: $0 Debt: -$1000 (Interest @ turn 18) Selling: 2 Food @ D:S 1 Comm @ D:S 1 Labor @ $20 (NOT the labor point - just use it for a turn) 4 Shares @ $100 Buying: Nothing New D/S: Food: 32/12+2 = $228 Shld: 23+0/23 = $100 Comm: 48/9+1 = $533 Termina Labor: 1/3+1 = $25 Let me explain the Shares thing. I've created Skywalker Corporation, and there are currently 10 shares valued at $100 (as my total worth is $1000). If you buy 1 share, you'll get 10% of all profits each turn (the turn after you buy the share). It's simple. Also, I'd like to hire someone to administer my assets in the future, as I'll soon be gone way too much to participate in trading sessions. To qualify, you must be able to access most or all of the trading sessions near the end, so you can get the best price for my goods. Every Sunday (except this one), which is the only day I'll really be able to get on, I'll want a report on my money and holdings, the general state of the market, some specific things that people have done, etc. In return for your services, you will receive 15% of all profits each turn, BEFORE stock.

Change: Bid 10$ for one french worker.

	01-09-2002 03:22									#36
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QUESTION: Has any of the fndemental rules changed? The original D:S for the products seem higher now. I didnt remember anything that started over $300 like food and commerce do now, but perhaps it has always been like that.

QUESTION: IS there any penalty for declaring that you want to sell at D:S, like 10% or somethn?

Kramerman's Brothel Ranch
Turn #: 004
Holdings: Tile 029, SW BHQ, Grassland (mine, river, road)
Stockpile: 0 food, 0 shields, 3 commerce
Cash: $330
Debt: -$1500 (10% interest, 12 turns remaining on grace period)

Administered by: Pimp Daddy Kman

Stockpile:
0 food
0 shields
3 commerce


Last turn's completed trades: 2 food, 1 shields, 3 commerce
---
Production this turn: 2 food, 1 shield, 2 commerce
---

Proposed Deals:
selling:
Sell 2 of 2 food @ D:S
Sell 1 of 1 shields @ D:S
Sell 5 of 5 commerce @ D:S

buying:
I would like to buy two (2) share of the skywalker corporation for $200 total.

other:
renting out my one labor for $20 for one turn.

I would like to pay of $130 of my debt.

New D:S

Food: 32/14+2 = $200
Shield: 23/23+1 = $96
Commerce: 48/10 +5 = $320

	01-09-2002 03:33									#37
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quote: Originally posted by Kramerman QUESTION: Has any of the fndemental rules changed? The original D:S for the products seem higher now. I didnt remember anything that started over $300 like food and commerce do now, but perhaps it has always been like that.

Yes, we basicaly took out the double counting of nobles goods. The original formula listed our production as supply and we competed against our own product.

quote: Originally posted by Kramerman QUESTION: IS there any penalty for declaring that you want to sell at D:S, like 10% or somethn?

If you "sell @ D:S" the government takes out the greater of a $5 or 10% fee PER COMMODITY (That's $10 or 10% of sale price for two food) as a fee. That way those who actively try to guess the ending price have a chance to make a little more.

	01-09-2002 03:39									#38
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Yipee! Someone bought my stock!

	01-09-2002 04:19									#39
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quote: Originally posted by skywalker Yipee! Someone bought my stock!

This corporation better get off the gorund... and if it does, Yipee!

When is the first share holders' meeting? I assume all share holders are on a board, or have some say in the corporation somehow?

	01-09-2002 04:27									#40
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Note, we have not discovered the Corporation OR stock. You don't own stock, you "own a piece of skywalker."

Now what you plan on doing with "a piece of skywalker" is your business.

I'll bet there's a few more Apolytonians that would like "a piece of skywalker."

Last edited by GhengisFarb on 01-09-2002 at 04:37

	01-09-2002 04:30									#41
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quote: If you "sell @ D:S" the government takes out the greater of a $5 or 10% fee PER COMMODITY (That's $10 or 10% of sale price for two food) as a fee. That way those who actively try to guess the ending price have a chance to make a little more.

In that case, I will try and squeeze every penny I can, at least until I get this debt paid off.

EDIT: Updated my selling prices

code:
Kramerman's Brothel Ranch 
Turn #: 004 

Last turn's completed trades: 2 food, 1 shields, 3 commerce 
--- 
Production this turn: 2 food, 1 shield, 2 commerce 
--- 

Proposed Deals: 
selling: 
Sell 2 of 2 food @ $150
Sell 1 of 1 shields @ $60
Sell 5 of 5 commerce @ $250

buying: 
I would like to buy two (2) share of the skywalker corporation for $200 total. 

other: 
renting out my one labor for $20 for one turn. 

I would like to pay of $130 of my debt. 

	01-09-2002 04:31									#42
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If you really want to, we'll have a meeting every 5 trading sessions. However, as I don't intend on ever selling more than 50% of the stock, they'll be pretty worthless.

	01-09-2002 04:38									#43
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Aw crap. I messed up on the commerce D:S. I overlooked the new D:S / 2 deal. I'll fix that, along with my selling prices *groan* again...

code:

Kramerman's Brothel Ranch 
--- 
Proposed Deals: 
selling: 
Sell 2 of 2 food @ $150
Sell 1 of 1 shields @ $62
Sell 5 of 5 commerce @ $100

buying: 
I would like to buy two (2) share of the skywalker corporation for $200 total. 

other: 
renting out my one labor for $20 for one turn. 

I would like to pay of $130 of my debt. 

New D:S 

Food: 32/14+2 = $200 
Shield: 23/23+1 = $96 
Commerce: 48/10 +5 = $160

	01-09-2002 05:33									#44
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code:
Banana Pastures , Turn 4.  Admin: Nimitiz
Holdings: 
     Tile 031, NW Banana HQ, 2/1/2
-Update-
Selling:
     2 Food  @ $100 each
     2 Comm  @ 85 each
     1 shield @ 85 each
Buying:
     Nothing
New D/S:
     Food: 32/25 =$128
     Shld: 23+0/25    = $92
     Comm: 48/28   = $85.7

	01-09-2002 05:38									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Nimitz The S : D stats are getting totaly messed up help.

HINT: If you look at the prices I offered to sell at you'll get a good idea where the ending price should be.

The D:S starts high but should drop drastically as our product fills demand.

If you've already offered your product its already in the D:S line. Simply use the same D:S as the last person with no updates (+#).

	01-09-2002 06:01									#46
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I know the prices will drop its just the after your post the peoples D:S go all over the place like this 48 / 32 then the next is 48 / 16 it makes it hard to do the D:S.

	01-09-2002 06:06									#47
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I have an idea. Because we see the previous turns supply and demand, we have an idea of what the ending prices will be. WHat if , as a public service, we voluntarily update the D/S every once in a while. Since it's not required, people wont post bad numbers by accident.

	01-09-2002 06:18									#48
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"Ask and ye shalt receive..."
....and this post takes me to "KING".......

Current Market Assessment UPDATE:

Labor Market
Apolyton Available Labor: 4
D:S 1/4 = $25

Termina Available Labor: 3
D:S 1/3 = $33

Tassagrad Available Labor: 3
D:S 0/4 = $0

BHQ Available Labor: 4
D:S 1/4 = $25

Port Rouge Available Labor: 2
D:S 0/4 = $0


Vassals for Auction:
.....7 bids so far TOTAL (4 generic)

1 German


3 French
.....3 bids so far

4 Persian


Commodity Markets
Food demand: 16x2=32
Food supplied: 2+2+2+2+2= 10
D:S = 32/23(10+13) = $139

Shield Demand: 9+4+4+4+1=22
Shield Supply: 9+5+4+4+1=23
D:S = 23(22+1)/25(23+2) = $92

NOTE BASE RATE FOR COMMERCE IS $50
So multiply D:S by 50% for current market price.
Commerce Demand: 16x3=48
Commerce Supplied: 3+2+1+1+1=8
D:S = 48/28 (8+20) x.50= $85

Last edited by GhengisFarb on 01-09-2002 at 06:23

	01-09-2002 06:28									#49
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Change: Instead of bidding for French worker, I'm bidding $5 for German worker.

	01-09-2002 06:37									#50
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Update

code:
Skywalker Corporation, Turn 4.  Admin: Skywalker
Holdings: 
     Tile 019, S Tassagrad, 2/1/1
Buildings:
     Tavern 0+(possible)1/3
Stockpile: 0+0 food    0+0 shields    0+0 commerce
Production:  2 food      1 shields      1 commerce
Cash Change: $0
     0    Selling
     0    Buying
Current Cash: $0      Debt: -$1000 (Interest @ turn 18)
Selling:
     2 Food  @ D:S
     1 Comm  @ D:S
     1 Labor @ $20 (NOT the labor point - just use it for a turn)
     4 Shares @ $100 (2 already sold to Kman)
Buying:
     1 German Worker @ $5
     Labor of 1 Tassagrad Laborer @ $33 to work on Tavern
New D/S:
     Food: 32/21+2  = $129
     Sheild: 23/25 = $92
     Commerce: 48/27+1x.5  = $85
     Tassagrad Labor: 0+1/3  = $33

Last edited by Kuciwalker on 01-09-2002 at 06:56

	01-09-2002 06:48									#51
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You forgot a D:S line:

quote: Originally posted by skywalker code: Buying: 1 German Worker @ $5 Labor of 1 Tassagrad Laborer @ $1 to work on Tavern New D/S: Food: 32/12+2 = $228 Sheild: 23+0/23 = $100 Commerce: 48/9+1 = $533 Labor in Tassagrad 0+1/3 =$33

	01-09-2002 06:57									#52
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Ok, fixed it.

	01-09-2002 18:11									#53
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civman's Land-sharing Services:
Turn #: 004
Holdings:
..Property:
....Tile 008 Apolyton NE1 grass mined roaded:
......Produces: 2 food, 1 shields, 1 commerce
......Stockpile: 0 food, 2 shields, 2 commerce (some being sold by GF)
......Property owned by: civman2000
......Administered by: GhengisFarb
......Commodities produced owned by: GhengisFarb (pays $175 rent)
..Money:
....Cash: $175
....Debt:
......Loan 1 (govt): -$650 (10% interest, 12 turns remaining in grace period)

Proposed deal: Pay back $175 of the loan.

	01-09-2002 18:47									#54
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quote: Originally posted by OPD Would knowledge of where labourers will work in the future be of any use to anyone.

hi ,

, yes it would , ....


btw , great and cool game

have a nice day

	01-09-2002 19:10									#55
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quote: Originally posted by GhengisFarb code: House Ghengis Land Holdings in the Province of Mingapulco Turn #: 003 Proposed Deals: Sell 7 food @ $76 (D:S 32/23 (18+5)=$139) Sell 11 commerce @ $55 (D:S 48/23 (12+11)=$104) Pay civman2000 $175 rent Pay adaMada $110 rent Pay UnOrthOdOx $100 rent Pay Kloreep $100 rent Bid $5 each for two French Workers TAVERN IN APOLYTON Hire 1 labor from Apolotonia @ $26 (D:S 1/4 =$25) Use vassal from Shiek Use vassal from adaMada TAVERN IN BHQ Hire 1 labor from BHQ @ $26 (D:S 1/4 =$25) Use vassal from UnOthOdOx Use vassal from civman2000 STOREHOUSE ON ESTATE OF GHENGISFARB Use my vassal Use vassal from Kloreep

All Proposed Deals still offered and valid.

quote: Originally posted by GhengisFarb GhengisFarb has built 3 of ? on a building in a city/estate.

code:
Declaring this construction a TAVERN IN TASSAGRAD
(was built with Tassagrad Labor before we had decided on building specifics)

	01-09-2002 23:10									#56
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Dudeville
Turn #: 004
Holdings: 010 Termina NE (mined grass rd)
Stockpile: 0 food, 1 shields, 1 commerce
Cash: $80
Debt: -$1000 (10% interest, 15 turns remaining on grace period)
Buildings: None

Administered by: Duddha

Production this turn: 2 food, 1 shield, 1 commerce
---
Proposed Deals:

Sell 2 of 2 food @ $80 each
Sell 2 of 2 commerce @ $60 each
Sell 2 of 2 shields @ $80 each

pay $80 off debt

New D/S:
Food: 32/23+2 = $128
Sheild: 23/23+2 = $92
Commerce: 48/23+2 = $192

Did I do the D/S right?

	01-09-2002 23:29									#57
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quote: Originally posted by Duddha New D/S: Food: 32/23+2 = $128 Sheild: 23/23+2 = $92 Commerce: 48/23+2 = $192 Did I do the D/S right?

Yes, you were off a little bit, but that was because of a mistake I made, not you. I have since corrected it.

quote: Originally posted by GhengisFarb code: House Ghengis Land Holdings in the Province of Mingapulco Turn #: 003 Proposed Deals: Sell 7 food @ $76 (D:S 32/27 = $118) Sell 11 commerce @ $55 (D:S 48/23 (12+11)=$104) Pay civman2000 $175 rent Pay adaMada $110 rent Pay UnOrthOdOx $100 rent Pay Kloreep $100 rent Bid $5 each for two French Workers TAVERN IN TASSAGRAD Prebuilt in Trading Session 2 quote: GhengisFarb has built 3 of ? on a building in a city/estate. TAVERN IN APOLYTON Hire 1 labor from Apolotonia @ $26 (D:S 1/4 =$25) Use vassal from Shiek Use vassal from adaMada TAVERN IN BHQ Hire 1 labor from BHQ @ $26 (D:S 1/4 =$25) Use vassal from UnOthOdOx Use vassal from civman2000 STOREHOUSE ON ESTATE OF GHENGISFARB Use my vassal Use vassal from Kloreep

All Proposed Deals still offered and valid except for the following change:

code:

Proposed Deals: 

Sell 9 food @ $76 (D:S 32/29=$110) 

	02-09-2002 01:46									#58
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Updated my selling prices. The D:S is no different.

code:
Kramerman's Brothel Ranch 
--- 
Proposed Deals: 
selling: 
Sell 2 of 2 food @ $90
Sell 1 of 1 shields @ $75
Sell 5 of 5 commerce @ $70

buying: 
I would like to buy two (2) share of the skywalker corporation for $200 total. 

other: 
renting out my one labor for $20 for one turn. 

I would like to pay of $130 of my debt. 

	02-09-2002 02:22									#59
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(For some reason I hadn't calculated Kramerman in the food D:S)
I currently get the following for D:S rates:

FOOD
D:S 32/31(10+21) = $103

SHIELDS
D:S 23(22+1)/27(23+4) = $85

COMMERCE
D:S 48/30(8+22) = $80

	02-09-2002 03:14									#60
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code:
Banana Pastures , Turn 4.  Admin: Nimitiz
Holdings: 
     Tile 031, NW Banana HQ, 2/1/2
-Update-
Selling:
     2 Food  @ $95 each
     2 Comm  @ 80 each
     1 shield @ 75 each
Buying:
     Nothing
New D/S:
     Food: 32/31 =$103
     Shld: 23/27    = $85
     Comm: 48/30   = $80