01-09-2002 03:06									#31
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Felch,

quote: Wow, David Floyd for President. You registered with the LP?

I'm not registered with any party. Last election I voted straight Libertarian, but for Senator I'm probably going to vote for whatever Republican is running against Ron Kirk. I hate Ron Kirk enough to vote Republican (he used to be mayor of Dallas, I'm from a suburb of Dallas).

SS,

quote: so what would we do if some big meanie started picking on a former friend (a la Kuwait, UK, etc). Just sit back and laugh?

Not much we can do. It isn't our business.

Fez,

quote: Order National Guard out to the streets in the US's most dangerous cities and start rounding up domestic troublemakers, such as people in gangs. Sending National Guard out to the streets will maintain national security against international terrorism aswell.

That sounds like a good way to get Guardsmen killed in street fights that they aren't trained for. Soldiers and Guardsmen are not policemen.

quote: Maintain consititution nonetheless

HAHAHAHAHAHA.

quote: Put Drinking age at 25

That's not a federal power.

quote: Have David Floyd be sent to Cuba to display how poorly his political model is working

Right, because the way Cuba is run is EXACTLY how I want to run things

quote: Drop Nuclear Bomb on Baghdad and have Saddam assassinated

Oh, that sounds like a good way to lose our MidEast oil, and to get sanctions placed on us by, well, everyone.

quote: Floyd you need to see a doctor... your opinions are very messed up.

I'm not the one who wants to nuke Baghdad and turn the US into a military dictatorship.

	01-09-2002 03:09									#32
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quote: - Drop Nuclear Bomb on Baghdad and have Saddam assassinated

wow, that would really be cool.

"Base , this is alpha team, I cannot find Saddam's Palace"

"Roger that , Alpha team. The Palace was destroyed by a nuke a few hours ago"

"......"

	01-09-2002 04:15									#33
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I would cede Alaska to Russia, Utah to France, and everything else to Iraq.

	01-09-2002 04:43									#34
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quote: Originally posted by David Floyd Fez, That sounds like a good way to get Guardsmen killed in street fights that they aren't trained for. Soldiers and Guardsmen are not policemen.

Well then they should be trained for that. And militarization of the police men are good.

And Guardsmen are specifically for maintaining national security, so shouldn't they be not? That is what the Spanish Civil Guard does... the Spanish equavilant of the National Guard. It gets involved in preventing crime all of the time with police.

quote: That's not a federal power.

If I was Presidente, I would say it is.

quote: Right, because the way Cuba is run is EXACTLY how I want to run things

Yes.

quote: Oh, that sounds like a good way to lose our MidEast oil, and to get sanctions placed on us by, well, everyone.

Launch invasions of other Arab countries. They do not stand a chance, steal the oil fields.

quote: I'm not the one who wants to nuke Baghdad and turn the US into a military dictatorship.

At least under the Franco era in my country, the society was better off. It is well off today but that is because Spaniards have sense and don't abuse privileges like some Americans, specifically with the drinking age. In my country people drink socially... in the US most people get drunk that is why the drinking age should not be reduced but infact raised in the US.

quote: wow, that would really be cool. "Base , this is alpha team, I cannot find Saddam's Palace" "Roger that , Alpha team. The Palace was destroyed by a nuke a few hours ago" "......"

By the time B-2s were going over head Baghdad, Saddam would of left. He needs to be found and shot.

	01-09-2002 04:50									#35
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quote: Originally posted by SuperSneak Hmmmm....I'm starting to like Floyd's ideas

Jon Millre

	01-09-2002 04:52									#36
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quote: Originally posted by Fez At least under the Franco era in my country, the society was better off. It is well off today but that is because Spaniards have sense and don't abuse privileges like some Americans, specifically with the drinking age. In my country people drink socially... in the US most people get drunk that is why the drinking age should not be reduced but infact raised in the US.

Better off under Franco?

Well, anyways, have you ever heard about something called botellón? I guess not. Talk about getting drunk...

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quote: Originally posted by Fiera Better off under Franco?

Yes.

And one bit of irrevelant information I would like to share is my grandfather served with the Nationalists (Franco).

quote: Well, anyways, have you ever heard about something called botellón? I guess not. Talk about getting drunk...

Look at the US. I mean when I was in Spain people don't get drunk... infact they drink socially at bars where you can order tapas... but I am sure you know about those. Anyways, I appreciate my country's society because it is in working order. The US and its society is rather questionable.

	01-09-2002 05:00									#38
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quote: Well then they should be trained for that.

Uh, no they shouldn't. That's what the city police force is for. They have plenty of firepower, and far, far, far better investigative skills, which is what police work is 99% of the time. A SWAT team is much more useful than a platoon of National Guardsmen in an urban environment.

quote: And militarization of the police men are good.

Er, why? Many police officers are reservists anyway, but those who are not don't need military training for police work - the two fields are not really related.

quote: And Guardsmen are specifically for maintaining national security, so shouldn't they be not? That is what the Spanish Civil Guard does... the Spanish equavilant of the National Guard. It gets involved in preventing crime all of the time with police.

That's nice, but I'm telling you, all you could conceivably need Guardsmen for is the enforcement process, and the police already have ample resources for that.

quote: If I was Presidente, I would say it is.

You obviously have no clue how the US legal system works.

quote: Yes

Really? I wasn't aware that Cuba has no social spending and no gun control.

quote: Launch invasions of other Arab countries. They do not stand a chance, steal the oil fields.

Do you have any idea how ridiculous that idea is?

quote: At least under the Franco era in my country, the society was better off. It is well off today but that is because Spaniards have sense and don't abuse privileges like some Americans, specifically with the drinking age. In my country people drink socially... in the US most people get drunk that is why the drinking age should not be reduced but infact raised in the US.

Let me quote Benjamin Franklin to you:
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
- Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759.

quote: By the time B-2s were going over head Baghdad, Saddam would of left. He needs to be found and shot.

Found with what? I mean, you already have the entire army on the streets in the US, and the CIA operating internally.
You'd certainly need that to hold on to power, anyway.

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quote: Anyways, I appreciate my country's society because it is in working order. The US and its society is rather questionable.

Just because you don't like alcohol - or more likely just don't have a high tolerance for it - doesn't mean you can stop others from drinking. Most of us can take more than 3 beers before stripping and pole dancing.

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quote: Originally posted by David Floyd Uh, no they shouldn't. That's what the city police force is for. They have plenty of firepower, and far, far, far better investigative skills, which is what police work is 99% of the time. A SWAT team is much more useful than a platoon of National Guardsmen in an urban environment.

Well then get the National Guard to learn. See in my country there are the Police and Civil Guard, both do investigative work. But the Civil Guard is more national and protects national borders more often but works along side the police all of the time.

quote: Er, why? Many police officers are reservists anyway, but those who are not don't need military training for police work - the two fields are not really related.

Investigations aside, the standard Foot Patrol Police Officer should get military equipiment and training if he does not already so have.

quote: That's nice, but I'm telling you, all you could conceivably need Guardsmen for is the enforcement process, and the police already have ample resources for that.

Then why not give them a little push?

quote: You obviously have no clue how the US legal system works.

Again a liberal like you does not see the underlying sarcasm of what I said there. Maybe I should of added a smiley.

quote: Really? I wasn't aware that Cuba has no social spending and no gun control.

Eventually that sort of talk would turn into a talk for a Castro like dictatorship.

quote: Do you have any idea how ridiculous that idea is?

Do you have any idea how stupid your ideas are?

quote: Let me quote Benjamin Franklin to you: "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759.

Let me see if I can find a quote of Francisco Franco...

	01-09-2002 05:06									#41
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And damn you Floyd, don't you see my proposals in this thread was mainly a troll... some of those things I would never do.

I would suspect the same for you.

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quote: Well then get the National Guard to learn. See in my country there are the Police and Civil Guard, both do investigative work. But the Civil Guard is more national and protects national borders more often but works along side the police all of the time.

But the point is this isn't necessary at all.

quote: Investigations aside, the standard Foot Patrol Police Officer should get military equipiment and training if he does not already so have.

Why do you want cops carrying around M-16s? I agree that they should carry .40s rather than 9mms, but cops don't generally need assault rifles - and when the need arises, SWAT teams are used.

quote: Again a liberal like you does not see the underlying sarcasm of what I said there. Maybe I should of added a smiley.

Actually I'm not any more liberal than I am conservative - I don't see you calling me conservative because of my gun policy.

quote: Eventually that sort of talk would turn into a talk for a Castro like dictatorship.

Actually it leads to the exact opposite of dictatorships.

quote: Do you have any idea how stupid your ideas are?

Oh yeah? Well I AM RUBBER YOU ARE GLUE!

quote: Let me see if I can find a quote of Francisco Franco...

Quoting dictators, how nice...

quote: I would suspect the same for you.

You would suspect wrongly.

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quote: Originally posted by David Floyd Why do you want cops carrying around M-16s? I agree that they should carry .40s rather than 9mms, but cops don't generally need assault rifles - and when the need arises, SWAT teams are used.

Cops need assault rifles....

quote: Actually I'm not any more liberal than I am conservative - I don't see you calling me conservative because of my gun policy.

quote: Actually it leads to the exact opposite of dictatorships.

Oh anarchy?

quote: Oh yeah? Well I AM RUBBER YOU ARE GLUE!

Huh?

quote: Quoting dictators, how nice...

Very nice indeed.

quote: You would suspect wrongly.

I would?

You know, Floyd, I am a troll so don't take me seriously all of the time.

	01-09-2002 05:16									#44
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quote: Cops need assault rifles....

For what, exactly?

quote: Oh anarchy?

Anarchy is the opposite of government, not dictatorships

quote: You know, Floyd, I am a troll so don't take me seriously all of the time.

Seriously? Nah, I just get my kicks out of battering you down in arguments, not as if I have anything better to do...it's too early to GO GET DRUNK

	01-09-2002 05:18									#45
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quote: Originally posted by David Floyd For what, exactly?

For giving a proper image that criminals will not be safe.

quote: Anarchy is the opposite of government, not dictatorships

And?

quote: Seriously? Nah, I just get my kicks out of battering you down in arguments, not as if I have anything better to do...it's too early to GO GET DRUNK

Look... I love trolling people here... I just laugh when I see the responses...

	01-09-2002 05:20									#46
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quote: For giving a proper image that criminals will not be safe.

Criminals know that by definition criminal activity isn't safe. That's why they carry guns.

	01-09-2002 05:21									#47
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quote: Originally posted by David Floyd Criminals know that by definition criminal activity isn't safe. That's why they carry guns.

Then send the message that it will be even more unsafe when they see cops carrying M-16s around...

	01-09-2002 05:21									#48
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quote: Originally posted by Jon Miller Jon Millre

People agreeing with David scares you so much it makes you misspell your name?

Wonders if David realizes that the US has never in its history been as isolationist as he wants.

	01-09-2002 05:55									#49
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Just a few quick thoughts-
- withdraw from every alliance but NATO, including the U.N. Force the U.N. to leave American soil.
-try to get Russia to join NATO
-close all military bases in Eastern Hemisphere
- deport all illegal immigrants, create a new branch of the military specifically for patroling the border
-end all multi-party trade treaties i.e. NAFTA
-institute trade controls and tariffs, promote national self sufficiency especially in heavy industry, plastics, and textiles. Only import materials that cannot be produced in the U.S.
-give the government power to liquidate any company caught using illegal immigrant laborers
-institute martial law in inner cities
-declare English the official language
-redifine what it takes to be a citizen. Simply being born in the country will no longer give someone the right to vote. The right will be reserved for those who serve a
2 year term of service in either the military or in a public service corp. Entry into the service will be dependent on passing a mental competence test.
-require gun owners to carry firearm registration cards. Only allow those who live in areas official determined as rural to own firarms.
-repeal affirmative action programs
-expand capital punishment to any crime involving the use of a firearm
-legalize marijuana. Tax it heavily.
-nationalize professional sports. Set a salary cap at $100,000 per player. Use the rest of the profits to support a national healthcare system.
-use any oil reserves we have
-increase pollution controls on factories when they are rebuilt. Support a policy of conservationism, not radical environmentalism.
-end current foreign aid programs
-create a policy of non-intervention in foreign civil wars

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quote: Wonders if David realizes that the US has never in its history been as isolationist as he wants.

Yes, I realize this.

Nationalist, I can't decide if you're a liberal or conservative, hehehe.

	01-09-2002 06:52									#51
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Hmm I'm not expert on this but:

- try to isolate a little bit more
- do something about the alarming prison situation (don't know what though )
- close down few agencies or at least put them in a tight leash, there's too much of them and they are not very effective working together (cia, fbi, nsa, dea, atf etc..). Too much power.
- tax HEAVY on tobacco and hard booze (beer not included, nor wine), and direct the money to establishing tent villages to some remote location where the homeless could go and live for a while and have some basic education and rehab. BTW if someone does this, I want credit and be part of it.
- Investigate RIAA and Microsoft.
- Establish new military unit, which recruits foreign volunteers, everybody with good condition and safe backround are allowed, lower pay but possibility for citizenship in 2 years, if in combat, 3 years if stationed outside the US, 5 years if in the US. Must be able to speak good english, and possibility to move up ranks in the ranks, it's separated from the regular army, but it works closely with them, trains with them and have also american soldiers in it, to make it 'less international'.
- Make it mandatory to have enviromental issues included in business plans, before giving loan from the bank, or start money for own business. Only in certain fields of business, and for bigger companies.
...
umm that's it this time. Mostly domestic issues, and may not work in reality, but hey you asked me!

	01-09-2002 07:20									#52
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quote: Originally posted by David Floyd Nationalist, I can't decide if you're a liberal or conservative, hehehe.

I'm socially conservative, but economically leftist.

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Ah.

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Pretty much the opposite of a libertarian, eh David?

	01-09-2002 07:56									#55
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1) Ban all non-hunting firearms, with exceptions of law enforcement, military, and security personnel.

Enact new laws that can effectively counter an inevietably emerging black market for non-hunting firearms, and consult with European nations on such black market problems.

Establish a five-year compensation program for middle class and lower middle class employees of non-hunting firearms manufactoring companies, as these people will be seeking new jobs, and retraining or furthering their education.


2) Abolish almost all forms of corporate welfare.


3) Withdraw all U.S. military forces from Western European and Southwestern European nations.

Withdraw 25% of all U.S. military forces from Japan, and allow Japan to begin a gradual rebuilding of its own military infrastructure and forces for a new army, navy, and air force.

4) Establish a more aggressive government program in researching a viable energy alternative over oil.

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quote: I'm socially conservative, but economically leftist.

nationalist, that reads as nazi minus racism (no offense intended). They really proponed a programme like that.

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I know. I'm not offended. Nazi-racists=fascist. Fascists had some good ideas, if people aren't preoccupied by Nazi racism.

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- Abolish the electoral system. It just means that some voters get more say than others. A big no-no.

- Eliminate all forms of protectionism, corporate welfare, agricultural subsidies, and porkbarreling.

- Legalise drugs, gambling, and prostitution. Tax these as well as tobacco and alcohol. Shift funds to education, preventive medical care, and higher salary for civil servants to curb corruption.

- Ratify the Koyto Protocol. Start being more environmentally conscious.

- Reform the educational system. Eliminate all private schools. Increase funding to public schools. Give teachers better training. Pay them more.

- Completely enforce the separation of church and state. Any religious person making noises on politics will be publicly humiliated and stripped of any religious titles and/or offices.

- Tax religious organisations like normal corporations. If they do charitable work they'll get a tax break on the amount they put into that area, but no more.

- Slash military budget

- Put in progressive tax codes

- Establish a new office to combat corporate graft, corruption, and other forms of illegal activities.

- Release all petty criminals, fine and put them on social services.

- Reform political campaign finances.

That will do for a start.

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quote: Foreign Policy: -Close all foreign military bases immediately, beginning with those in the Middle East. Deploy no military forces outside of the Western Hemisphere (and in the Pacific, no naval forces past Midway Island or so). -Complete, unrestricted free trade with every country, no matter who it is, from Communist China to the UK -Withdrawal from all foreign military alliances, especially NATO -Establish a policy of no more conventional wars or interventions, but let it be known that any direct attacks on America will be met with nuclear weapons Domestic Policy: -Begin to follow the Constitution EXACTLY as it is written. This means to end gun control, for instance -Elimination of federal social programs, especially Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Food Stamps, federal housing, federal welfare, etc. -Elimination of the income tax -Reduce the military across the board by at least 95% in every area except for ICBMs -Scrap Echelon and any other federal law enforcement programs used for monitoring citizens without a warrant -Immediate release of all citizens held without trial

Introducing Cnanada 2!!!

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being tired and bored makes for interesting thoughts really.

	01-09-2002 13:25									#60
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UR, just two comments:

quote: - Abolish the electoral system. It just means that some voters get more say than others. A big no-no.

The system simply is outdated. It had its use when large parts of the country were only sparsely settled and the next election locale would have been days away. The system was set up to save farmers to leave their farm for several days and undertake a (possibly dangerous) trip to give their vote. I think the electors did to the tavelling business. Today's conditions simply have changed.

quote: - Reform the educational system. Eliminate all private schools. Increase funding to public schools. Give teachers better training. Pay them more.

I don't think private schools in themselves are bad. The problem is that public education often sucks (see Germany).