02-09-2002 10:49									#31
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I'm fine with pop rushing. That age is coming to a close now though, as we are beginning to focus on building up our cities instead of gearing them up for a major war.

	02-09-2002 12:28									#32
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quote: Originally posted by Apocalypse I'm fine with pop rushing. That age is coming to a close now though, as we are beginning to focus on building up our cities instead of gearing them up for a major war.

hi ,

we shall need one more war , "the valley of incense" , .... after that we can really start to build

and this war should be within 25-30 turns (!)

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	02-09-2002 12:34									#33
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I would never go Monarchy, but then I never play Religious civs. That 1 turn change is wonderful.

I agree, Monarchy suits our purposes right now. Give us more shields! More troops!

Let us crush our enemies, drive them before us and hear the lamentations of their women...

	02-09-2002 17:19									#34
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I'd never normally go to monarchy either but in this it is an advantage compared to despotism and I have always figured it can support large armies -eventually although right now we may have to dob bit of spare cash out because currently our cities are quite small. On a side note I got the ' Are you sure you want a REVOLUTION' quote which I found rather prophetic.

edit: Um I have come to a different decision- I agree we should have a revolution but not monarchy.The thing is we have 46 units to support.

Under despotism we can support 64 units. However if we change to monarchy we can only support 34 units because there are no cities that have a population greater than 6 which would leave us with a 14 gold per a turn income ( I haven't factored in corruption but I'd assume it'll be between -10/12 per a turn which would infact give us 18/20 per a turn)

Under republic the corruption is even lower and we get a mininium income of 114 per a turn because under republic each square gets +1 gold. Assuming we don't have to change the luxuries slider to kept the people happy we would earn about 50 gold per a turn assuming a corruption rate of -10 per turn.

My suggestion would be thus, change to a republic make peace with all those we are warring with and build every city up and build things such as market places to increase gpt and once we have a few cities greater than 6 we then switch to monarchy in times of war.

Last edited by rendelnep on 02-09-2002 at 18:28

	02-09-2002 20:40									#35
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quote: Originally posted by panag we shall need one more war , "the valley of incense" , .... after that we can really start to build and this war should be within 25-30 turns (!)

Yes, but I said "major" war.



I would like to go to Republic now, but it doesn't seem viable enough. We would lose a lot of money to paying for military support.

	02-09-2002 21:37									#36
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At last! Yes!

	02-09-2002 21:50									#37
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Yes, monarchy, by all means.

	03-09-2002 00:00									#38
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There is almost no reason not to switch, especially since were religious.

	03-09-2002 05:51									#39
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I almost never go monarchy when I'm not religious, but when you're a relatively small civ with a large military and you're religious like we are now, there's no reason not to

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quote: Originally posted by rendelnep Under republic the corruption is even lower and we get a mininium income of 114 per a turn because under republic each square gets +1 gold. Assuming we don't have to change the luxuries slider to kept the people happy we would earn about 50 gold per a turn assuming a corruption rate of -10 per turn.

But we WOULD have to change the luxuries slider, because with Republic there is no martial law.

	04-09-2002 17:36									#41
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Ok then so as this poll is closed are we going to change to monarchy this turn?

If so there is alot of city planning stuff to be done before the turns are played.

	04-09-2002 19:09									#42
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Rendelnep, regarding your last post, there are a few things I'd like to relate to:

quote: Originally posted by rendelnep The thing is we have 46 units to support. Under despotism we can support 64 units. However if we change to monarchy we can only support 34 units because there are no cities that have a population greater than 6 which would leave us with a 14 gold per a turn income ( I haven't factored in corruption but I'd assume it'll be between -10/12 per a turn which would infact give us 18/20 per a turn)

We've recently acquired 2 additional towns (through peace negotiations with the French) so we'll have free support for 4 more units. I also estimate that we'll get Tyre and possibly Sidon in the near future and each town can get us free support for 2 additional units, as you know.

quote: Originally posted by rendelnep Under republic the corruption is even lower and we get a mininium income of 114 per a turn because under republic each square gets +1 gold. Assuming we don't have to change the luxuries slider to kept the people happy we would earn about 50 gold per a turn assuming a corruption rate of -10 per turn.

1. You mean each tile that is already worked. I'm sure that's what you meant.
2. A corruption rate of 8.7%? Even Democarcies don't enjoy such low rates of corruption.
Consider that the current rate of corruption is 26.6667% and Republic

Under Republic we also have to pay support, and we'll have to increase the entertainment rate to 20% to keep our size 3 and 4 towns out of civil disorder, at least until we bring wine to our empire and made peace with all the surrounding nations.
I agree that we should build marketplaces in our major cities, but I disagree that we should switch to Republic now. We should only switch to republic when our economy is ready, and Monarchy with its increase in production, lower corruption and the ability to use paid labor to hurry improvements and units instead of poprushing is exactly what we need to achieve this goal.

	05-09-2002 22:16									#43
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hi ,

there is a good thing about monarchy , ... we can draft two when needed , ...

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	06-09-2002 11:44									#44
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We can't draft until we have Nationalism.

	06-09-2002 19:53									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Shiber We can't draft until we have Nationalism.

hi ,

indeed , but that is not the point , the point is that with monarchy we can draft two units , with a republic and democrazy only one , .....

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	06-09-2002 20:00									#46
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Actually Democracy and Republic rather surpass Monarchy in this aspect in most cases. It's true that Monarchic regimes can draft two citizens per turn, but a Democracy and a Republic can draft one citizen and then rush another defender with money (gained from all the extra commerce bonuses that Republics and Democracies enjoy) which will be a regular (better than the drafted citizen which will be a conscript).

	06-09-2002 20:47									#47
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Perhaps after our wars we can change to republic, but hat is aways away.
Aggie

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quote: Originally posted by Aggie Perhaps after our wars we can change to republic, but hat is aways away. Aggie

hi ,

, if we had some more people in our cities , then we should have it now , its great for wars , .....

it gets lower corruption and gets more money , ...

there are some mods that allow republic to have a free unit with a metropolis , this is the case in real world , ...

it would be great if they worked a bit on this , .... firaxis that is , ...

but that is not for us , .... so lets the way that is the best , ....

there is a drawback with drafting two units , ... the people dont like it , ....

have a nice day