01-09-2002 17:32									#1
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I recommend that we send one swordsman (or two if the SMC feels we can spare another swordsman) to capture Tyres. The reasons are:

* Tyres is easy prey. It is most likely garrisoned by a single regular spearman.
* Capturing Tyres might force Persia to join us at the negotiations table and end the war (which is important since once we switch to Monarchy we'll start suffering war weariness).
* Tyres has 2 citizens. Since Persia can no longer poprush (they are no longer a despotic rule) their population will not drop to one and we can take the town instead of autoraze it.
* Once we have taken Tyres and connected it to the rest of our empire (requires digging one tile west of Tyres) we'll have a trade route with Persia! And since Persia is connected to England we'll have a trade route to England as well once we are at peace with Persia!!

What are your opinions on this matter?

	01-09-2002 17:35									#2
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I like, I like. How soon can we get a swordsman or two over there?

And IIRC, it's Tyre...

	01-09-2002 17:50									#3
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What happened to taking Sidon?

	01-09-2002 18:07									#4
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Sidon has 1 citizen at the moment. If it grows to 2 citizens, and if the SMC thinks we can spare troops to take Sidon then I'm all for taking Sidon as well.
Vlad: you're right, it is Tyre.

	01-09-2002 18:14									#5
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hi ,

lets go for it , ....

we should at least send two units , ...

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	01-09-2002 18:20									#6
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Go for it.

	01-09-2002 18:27									#7
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quote: Originally posted by skywalker Go for it.

I don't want to TAKE Sidon, I want to DESTROY it.

It's in Ubergorsk's way and is taking up 4 potential grassland tiles and could threaten our only source of Iron. As a city site its useless except to prevent Ubergorsk from growing.

	01-09-2002 18:28									#8
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I meant Tyre.

	01-09-2002 18:32									#9
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hi ,

why dont we take the two , ...

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	01-09-2002 18:33									#10
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Panag - READ THE THREAD GODDAMNIT!

We CAN'T take Sidon. It'll autoraze.

	01-09-2002 18:37									#11
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quote: Originally posted by skywalker Panag - READ THE THREAD GODDAMNIT! We CAN'T take Sidon. It'll autoraze.

hi ,

HéY , by the time our troops are there , if they get there , it shall be a city size two , .....



and if it aint , then we just wait , ....

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THINK

	01-09-2002 18:39									#12
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No, no wait. We want Sidon gone.

We're going to be reaching the optimal city number soon and we want cities with room not 6 cities crammed into 10 tiles. Sidon has to go, it has no benefits and a bunch of negatives.

	01-09-2002 18:42									#13
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quote: Originally posted by GhengisFarb No, no wait. We want Sidon gone. We're going to be reaching the optimal city number soon and we want cities with room not 6 cities crammed into 10 tiles. Sidon has to go, it has no benefits and a bunch of negatives.

hi ,

we could take it , and let it starve out with the building of a worker , .....

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	01-09-2002 19:24									#14
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I would rather send a full 3swords there and afetr munich it could be done. Also wwe will have 2 horse coming into play, so we could have an army of 2sword(since we could loose one sword at munich) and 2horse to go after Tyre.
Aggie

	01-09-2002 19:35									#15
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also as the east front gets secure we could send warriors back for upgrade. Also according to my calculation 3 sword(2 elite) can go to n area from france.
This assumes agarrison of 1spear/sword and one archer at each city.
Aggie

	01-09-2002 19:41									#16
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All this just for one town?
If I were you I'd send two horsemen or two swordsmen. We also need troops in the German front, after all.

	01-09-2002 20:00									#17
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I just want to make sure we win. Mayeb after words the army could swing north toward napolitan to attack germany. 2 swords could do it, but if one loose we could fail, also remeber some of our swords are regular. Her'es and idea we start moving one sword to the area. Then have 2sword + horse to attack munich(yes horse are 2 attack, but that retreat option is cool). The other horse could head straight there.That could leave 1sw + one horse. Still alittle meage I would like 3 force just incase one unit is deafeted and they have 2 units.
Aggie

	01-09-2002 20:25									#18
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I'd be all about healing our forces in France for the second phase of the French Liberation. (They actually think the war is over, not realizing we're simply allowing Rhiems and Chartres recovery time so that won't autoraze)

I think we can still have peace with the Germans if we don't raze Munich. Probably in 2-3 turns (after the 5 turn no-negotiation thing is over), and we're gonna get Munich through culture flip.

This leaves us with one front, Persia. I think we can obliterate them and easily gain incense and spice if we only have them to fight.

They built us that nice long road from Tyre to their heartland, wasn't that nice?

	01-09-2002 20:33									#19
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So you think we should actually try and conquer Persia?

	01-09-2002 22:45									#20
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quote: Originally posted by Shiber All this just for one town? If I were you I'd send two horsemen or two swordsmen. We also need troops in the German front, after all.

hi ,

, it could be that there are some units of them around , .....

have a nice day

	01-09-2002 23:35									#21
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We shouldn't worry about the Persian military. It's small and it consists of spearmen and archers. Two swordsmen or two horsemen are enough to take Tyre.
In any other day I would have preferred to send three units instead of two to maximize our chances of success but we're already short of military units in the German front and we can't spare another horseman or swordsman.

	01-09-2002 23:46									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Shiber * Capturing Tyres might force Persia to join us at the negotiations table and end the war (which is important since once we switch to Monarchy we'll start suffering war weariness).

It's my understanding that there is no war weariness in Monarchy.

	02-09-2002 00:26									#23
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There is. Not as much as in Democracy and Republic, but there is.
You can find this in the manual or in the civilopedia.

	02-09-2002 00:43									#24
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take tyre please

	02-09-2002 18:43									#25
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I very much favor this plan. Altho7ugh I think the City plannerb is going to have to split the regions once we take tyre and munich.

	02-09-2002 18:59									#26
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Shiber - there are 3 levels of War Weariness for a gov - None, Low, and High. Republic has Low. Democracy has High. Therefore, if Monarchy has less than both Republic and Democracy, it must have none.

	02-09-2002 19:17									#27
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You are absolutely right. I thought Republic was high too and Monarchy was low. I was sure I've seen it somewhere, in the civilopedia or in the .bic file...
Damn, do I feel stupid now. Thanks a lot for correcting me!

Last edited by Shiber on 02-09-2002 at 19:23

	02-09-2002 19:23									#28
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It's ok. I mess with the editor a lot.

	02-09-2002 22:00									#29
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It looks to me like a strike against Tyre makes sense, if only to keep the Persians reeling. I'd send the two sword, to see if we got lucky and took it with no losses, but keep at least one horsey in reserve, well behind the lines, in case some Germans pop up elsewhere.

	03-09-2002 16:08									#30
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Thanks for that info, skywalker. It will be a MASSIVE help.