02-09-2002 11:25									#1
	Peace with Persia? Got spare money?

Please vote and discuss. When should peace be sought with Persia.

If you choose "only after specific military objectives" please post the military objectives you feel should be captured before peace should be negotiated.

This poll is unofficial. Ends in three days.

--Togas

	02-09-2002 11:47									#2
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As I posted in the other thread, there is no guarantee that we can get a quick peace with either Persia or Germany. The AI can be stubborn sometimes, esp. at the higher levels.

	02-09-2002 12:19									#3
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We need the destruction of Tyre and Sidon, and nothing else against the Persians.

	02-09-2002 12:44									#4
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We need to get Tyre and Sidon .
We should make sure that we ask for the worldmap and whatever money , workers and technology they may have .

	02-09-2002 12:45									#5
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Tyre and Sidon

	02-09-2002 12:46									#6
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IF possible the capture of Tyre & Sidon would be better. They're usless as cities but would provide a buffer to protect the iron at Ubergosk in case the persians ever do an overland march through the jungle. If this isn't possible then destroy them and see what you can squeeze out of the Persians for peace. Probably just a mutual peace treaty but...

	02-09-2002 13:12									#7
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The general consensus so far seems to be to take Tyre and Sidon. It could be a good idea, I think, and we might be able to force Persia to be a little...more tolerant.

	02-09-2002 13:35									#8
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hi ,

take those two cities , even when we see them useless for now , they could be sitting on top of something we need in the future , ....

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	02-09-2002 14:01									#9
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I agree: Take Tyre and Sidon.

	02-09-2002 15:06									#10
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Sidon and Tyre

	02-09-2002 16:35									#11
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I would rather have it whenever their emissaries learn enough respect to answer us, as I dread a new front at the far edge of the Empire from the old one. Again, I fear that at least one city must be taken before they will even want to talk.

If we take Tyre, and Persia wants peace, how good would the offer need to be before it was acceptable? Or will we go on to Sidon regardless and then get whatever we can?

	02-09-2002 16:45									#12
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I would be inclined to try to take Sidon as well but we may want to end the war if we realize that war weariness is hurting our economy too much.

	02-09-2002 17:16									#13
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War Weariness? We are not in Democracy, are we ..?

	02-09-2002 17:37									#14
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Tyre and Sidon.

	02-09-2002 17:37									#15
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We're about to switch to Monarchy. Monarchic rules face some war weariness too. Since Persia and Germany declared war on us war weariness will be very late to come, but if the war continues for too long cities might fall into disorder unless we turn laborers into entertainers or raise the lux slider.
I'm not an expert on war weariness under Monarchic rule. I usually make the jump to Republic and skip Monarchy completely so I don't know how much war weariness Monarchic rules suffer from. I am positive however that there is war weariness in Monarchy (it's in the manual after all).

	02-09-2002 20:46									#16
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tyre and sidon or utter failure. So lets go on. On peace terms I say whatever we can get once we have accomplished our goals or failed.
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	02-09-2002 21:43									#17
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Tyre and Sidon, agreed.
With one caveat: I say we mount a serious military strike on Germany (see my post in that other poll). So if we fail to take either Persian city quickly, and we can get out of war with minimal cost (some gold, perhaps; no gpt or other concessions), I'd favor a pull-back from Persian adventures.
In other words, Tyre, unless we tire. Sidon, as long as we remember which side we're on.

	02-09-2002 22:04									#18
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We should take Tyre & Sidon & than get a peace triety as soon as possible, I don't think we want to be messing with 'Immortals'.

	02-09-2002 22:12									#19
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Proceed with the military plans (Sidon and Tyre); the Persians have to pay something for what they received from France. That money was supposed to be OUR money!

	02-09-2002 23:53									#20
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Peace with Persian should come after peace with Germany, as it will be easier to take out Munich first, then Tyre and Sidon.

	03-09-2002 01:42									#21
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If we don't get a tech from peace with Germany, I want to be one from peace with Persia.

	03-09-2002 01:46									#22
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i posted as soon as possible German is a more interesting adversary to destroy and persia will only be a nuisance while we destroy germany

	03-09-2002 02:50									#23
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War weariness should not be a problem, they declared war on us after all.

	03-09-2002 02:56									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Aro Proceed with the military plans (Sidon and Tyre); the Persians have to pay something for what they received from France. That money was supposed to be OUR money!

Couldn't have said it better................

	03-09-2002 02:57									#25
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Monarchic regimes don't suffer war weariness. However, I'd like to relate to your second point.
Each civilization has a certain level of war weariness. When you're a Despotic, Monarchic or Communist rule it does not affect you but when you are a Republic it slightly affects the moods of your citizens and when you're a Democracy it greatly affects them.
Now, the interesting bit is that when another civ declares war on you, instead of the other way around, the war weariness level drops (it relieved pre-war tensions ). It can even drop below zero, and this is why it takes the effects of war weariness a longer while to affect your citizens when another civ declares war on you instead of the other way around.

	03-09-2002 13:32									#26
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Capture or destroy Tyre and Sidon.

Then make peace at whatever terms we get - as long as it's them paying us, not the other way around!

	03-09-2002 16:27									#27
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Persia has no Iron! Once we get Pikemen and Knights, this land will bo ours for the taking (or we could just let Gremany or England take it then fight even harder to take it from them). Someone somewhere posted something about taking them out and building to Forbidden Palace there.

We have to oppertunity to eliminate a very aggresive opponet here (and I tend to think myself as a builder). We must take advantage or someone else will.

	03-09-2002 16:59									#28
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Capture Tyre and raze Sidon, then make peace in exchange for them giving techs and/or gold to us.

And if the Persians ever declare war on us again, show no mercy. Eradicate them. If they can't take a hint...

	03-09-2002 20:19									#29
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Depends on Germany, if the germans are hard-headed bastards and wont make reasonable peace, then take peace with persia and kick Bismark's ass. Otherwise, do it the other way around, but do make peace with one or the other

In the long run, I think Germany is the bigger threat. Persia's growth is checked, and even with immortals, I dont think they'd be a huge threat to us in the age of knights in shining armor

One thing to remember is the unstable situation to our north could be bad for us. If there is a clear winner in the germany/aztec-greek wars on either side, we could end up with an unbeatable enemy on our border.

	03-09-2002 22:28									#30
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Persia I don't see any benifit for a long war. End as soon as possible. Regarding the two cities, who cares about them? They are worthless right now, and need to have jungle cleared to make them worth wild, which we have enough to do at home right now.