18-09-2002 09:38									#31
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quote: Originally posted by Mellian Okay, I have one issue and one idea: idea: Lets have citizens be Base Governors. that way, the government doesn't have to much control and the bases are fairly presented. that way, citizens can state where they live and which base to support later, we can establish a sport league or something, like hockey, soccer and so on. -Mellian

I'm really against this. I don't like the idea, even in the larger Civ3 game. As of now, we have no problems with the existing system, and especially while we're small, all the directors are perfectly capable of running their portfolio empire-wide. It would just complicate things unnecessarily.

	18-09-2002 18:10									#32
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agree with DE much to early in the game to discuss about

	20-09-2002 05:03									#33
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quote: Originally posted by DeathByTheSword it 17th to begin. 24 to closing. 25 for voting and 28 until closing making it 2 to 3 days for transition time

then we're late. 19th to begin. 26th to closing. 27th for voting, 30th to closing, making 1 () day transition.

Be more aware of these things ALPHA TALENT DBTS.

(if you didnt get that...START NOMINATIONS!!!)

EDIT: Since you wont read this till tomorrow (unless DE does it) 20th to begin, 27th to closing, 27th to begin voting, and 30th to end voting. if we wait a day between nominations closing and voting beginning, we'll have no transition time

	29-09-2002 03:58									#34
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Just putting a note here for next time I, or someone else do work on the constitution, seeing this got raised in another thread and I don't want this to get buried...

if someone loses their election, are they allowed to run for AT (or DoSE if abstain wins for that matter)?
http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...259#post1330769

	29-09-2002 14:36									#35
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for me that is ok over the AT

with the under 50% vote because Abstains wins i dont like the situation so i will be abstain on that

	04-10-2002 16:59									#36
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updated with article IV

	05-10-2002 11:26									#37
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quote: Originally posted by DeathByTheSword updated with article IV

one down, two to go

	05-10-2002 16:47									#38
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change article I and II i am working on the court

	05-10-2002 16:55									#39
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does that mean you've implemented it?

	05-10-2002 16:58									#40
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yes to all the changes the Darkness reforms are over! compliments on a tought job (i know ) and ofcourse to the CNN

	07-10-2002 02:59									#41
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now i suggested this during the darkness' reforms period, but it never got entered (or did it?)

"If a member of cabinet is inactive for a period of X days, without mentioning his absence ahead of time, he may be impeached"
or something.

also, there should be something in there about who is responsible for alien artifacts

	07-10-2002 03:19									#42
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It didn't get entered. I decided that could wait for the next time someone decides to work on patching up the constitution.

	07-10-2002 19:32									#43
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about that i havent heard anything from my alpha talent and pande for a long time!

	08-10-2002 11:32									#44
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Pande's been around a bit, hasn't he?

...but I haven't seen Diablero at all.

This *is* covered by the consitution, isn't it?
Can't anyone start impeachment proceedings?

	08-10-2002 14:30									#45
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Why impeach me ? Im just back from a dreadful weekend of four days where i was busy 23/24 hours a day ! I can start my work really, now that Im back

	08-10-2002 18:05									#46
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i was not talking about empeaching Pande but was just wandering where you was but i want to talk about the AT if he doesnt tell anything here from him I will start empeachment on thursday

	09-10-2002 00:40									#47
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i want to start nominations on the friday 11 and then have it open for 9 days up to the 20 then start elections on the 22 until the 25 this way is it layed over the entire term...what do you all thing?

	09-10-2002 01:09									#48
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i thing () maybe a bit too early. we don't need 6 days transition: 2 or 3 is enough. while i like the idea of having this going a bit longer, maybe start the 14th or 15th

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Too early.
I agree with the longer nomination period - but not that long. A government can't really operate in a transition period. We managed fine with the short transition period between the September cabinet and October cabinet - why change that?

	11-10-2002 22:57									#50
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what do you think of stepping back from the 3 day polling to a 2 day polling? that we can hold 2 turns a week a small turnthread and a big chat on saturday. i am pushing for this a long time because i dont think that one turn a week is enough look at the forum it is completely boring. so i want to start that as soon as possible i have a week of from everything this week so i will be able to do a lot and i will look at constitution and the court for improvements i think some simple thinks still needs to be adressed like what to do when the AT is gone! and a AA but that will be next week first the change from 3 to 2 what do you all think?

	11-10-2002 23:28									#51
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The forum is boring because there are too little citizens. we really should recruit more people. Perhaps we could post ads in the general SMAC forum and CGN, and start a "Star Cult" in the Civ3 democracy game with the stars as our gods and of course with a link to this forum...

	12-10-2002 03:23									#52
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1 How many citizens do other Demo games elsewhere attract : Our last poll indicated between 18- 24 play this one.

Yet newbies join apolyton every day. Many look in at the demo game but don't grasp or are not interested in getting involved. A topped post about the game structure and procedures and rules should be there along with the UN constitution.

Plus there has to be a curtailment of spam in the threads. By spam I mean overuse of smilies as sole comment.

I mean when I check my email and it says KassmaniedgeTass has replied to a thread I've subscribed to and its the last unread message and I check it to find No doubt an apposite response to something 4 turns above but it's a waste.

Somebody new looking in finds this a turn off.

The screenshots are good idea; it is easier to relate to. sometimes the turn downloads don't work.

	12-10-2002 05:10									#53
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quote: Originally posted by Hercules Yet newbies join apolyton every day. Many look in at the demo game but don't grasp or are not interested in getting involved. A topped post about the game structure and procedures and rules should be there along with the UN constitution.

i agree i often wondered what democracy games were until DEdge started this one
Perhaps a new thread to be created: Constitution and FAQ, which would outline the procedures like you suggested, but keep the current constitution thread for changes/ammendments etc.

quote: Originally posted by Hercules Plus there has to be a curtailment of spam in the threads. By spam I mean overuse of smilies as sole comment. I mean when I check my email and it says KassmaniedgeTass has replied to a thread I've subscribed to and its the last unread message and I check it to find No doubt an apposite response to something 4 turns above but it's a waste.

Solution: don't subscribe to threads the feature would work better if you could choose not to receive an email every time someone responded. maybe start a thread in the Apolyton/Community forum asking for such a feature

quote: Originally posted by Hercules sometimes the turn downloads don't work.

Markos fixed that problem. all .zip files work now


now DBTS, as i recall, one of your campaign promises was to attract more people to the game. have you tried posting threads at CFC or other forums?

	12-10-2002 11:31									#54
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quote: Originally posted by DeathByTheSword what do you think of stepping back from the 3 day polling to a 2 day polling? that we can hold 2 turns a week a small turnthread and a big chat on saturday. i am pushing for this a long time because i dont think that one turn a week is enough look at the forum it is completely boring. so i want to start that as soon as possible i have a week of from everything this week so i will be able to do a lot and i will look at constitution and the court for improvements i think some simple thinks still needs to be adressed like what to do when the AT is gone! and a AA but that will be next week first the change from 3 to 2 what do you all think?

Dude, wasn't this in the Darkness Reforms?
I'm sure - in fact I know I decreased the amount of polling time from 3 days to 2.

quote: Originally posted by Maniac The forum is boring because there are too little citizens. we really should recruit more people. Perhaps we could post ads in the general SMAC forum and CGN, and start a "Star Cult" in the Civ3 democracy game with the stars as our gods and of course with a link to this forum...

Agreed. Perhaps we also may want a webpage to attract any non-Apolytoners, people coming in from the web.

quote: Originally posted by Hercules 1 How many citizens do other Demo games elsewhere attract : Our last poll indicated between 18- 24 play this one.

It just varies. The C3DG has masses of people, but it has got going. The C2DG is foundering a bit, but as their 2nd game gets going, we're getting the people back again. In this DG, we're somewhere in between the two.

quote: Originally posted by Hercules Yet newbies join apolyton every day. Many look in at the demo game but don't grasp or are not interested in getting involved. A topped post about the game structure and procedures and rules should be there along with the UN constitution.

I don't think this does much good. It just adds to forum clutter - I think if we can get people to this forum, they can learn the ropes from there.

Take how I got involved with the democracy games. I'd been around Apolyton (the site, not the forums) for years, and I stumbled across a news update for the C2DG. I signed up, and I've been hooked ever since. I think we need to keep the news updates going to MarkG - they're one of our best forms of advertising.

quote: Originally posted by Hercules Plus there has to be a curtailment of spam in the threads. By spam I mean overuse of smilies as sole comment. I mean when I check my email and it says KassmaniedgeTass has replied to a thread I've subscribed to and its the last unread message and I check it to find No doubt an apposite response to something 4 turns above but it's a waste.

I don't see this to be much of a problem. In most other cases, it would be useless spam, but it does often show more clearly the support or lack of it for a particular proposal. I don't make these posts often - but I see them as being a necessary part of the game.

quote: Originally posted by Hercules The screenshots are good idea; it is easier to relate to. sometimes the turn downloads don't work.

I agree on the screenshots, but there's nothing we can do about the turn downloads. The .sav files are too big to post on their own - we have to compress them to post. The .zip file itself may be fine, but somewhere in the uploading/downloading, Poly stuffs it up. Case in point: the last save file I posted, everyone who downloaded it found it to be corrupt (including me, when I did so as a test). But if I load the original version off my computer, it works fine.

	12-10-2002 11:34									#55
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quote: Originally posted by TKG i agree i often wondered what democracy games were until DEdge started this one Perhaps a new thread to be created: Constitution and FAQ, which would outline the procedures like you suggested, but keep the current constitution thread for changes/ammendments etc.

That's not a bad idea. Perhaps untop the current thread, leaving it as a loose discussion thread, then have the official, topped, Constitution and FAQ thread, with no posts allowed?

quote: Originally posted by TKG Markos fixed that problem. all .zip files work now

Ahhh, good to know. Ignore what I said above.

	12-10-2002 11:46									#56
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quote: Take how I got involved with the democracy games. I'd been around Apolyton (the site, not the forums) for years, and I stumbled across a news update for the C2DG. I signed up, and I've been hooked ever since. I think we need to keep the news updates going to MarkG - they're one of our best forms of advertising.

An idea: perhaps we should ask if MarkG could post the CNN in the news updates section.

	12-10-2002 12:18									#57
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quote: Originally posted by GeneralTacticus An idea: perhaps we should ask if MarkG could post the CNN in the news updates section.

That would be really useful. Also, if people could write updates before and after elections, and during any major upheaval (such as a war), we may gain some more members. If it's good enough for the C3DG...

	12-10-2002 18:27									#58
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tass has told me the CNN has been abolished!

DE, are you still doing yours every 2 weeks?

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OK good discussion

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Hercules...