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DeathByTheSword
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soon to be a major religion
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time: 05:22
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only constitution related issues posting here so no replies or spamming
UN CONSTITUTION
This is the constitution that we, the people of the United Nations Peacekeepers, have decided upon. In it, we have declared that we shall form a government of the people, a Democracy, in which
we shall choose who leads us. Our faction will be let by the people and for the people.
ARTICLE I: Commission Structure
Executive Branch
This is the administrative section of our faction. The Executive branch is made up of the Commissioner and the Alpha Talent. These two are required to abide by the suggestions of the directors, who represent the will of the people.
Commissioner:
Has the right of:
*Playing the game for the citizens
*Acting as he deems fit if there is an emergency
*Advising any other part of the government
Has the duties of:
*Following directors orders on there field of expertise
*Posting SAV`s and turnlogs on the forum
*Overall keeping the citizens aware of there situation.
*making turnthreads and keeping them updated
*Serving his faction the best he can
The Commissioner shall physically play the game.
Alpha-Talent:
Has the right of:
*Acting as he deems fit if there is an emergency
*Taking over the Commissioners seat with its right and duties if the current Commissioner is somehow not available.
*Starting elections
*Advising any other part of the government
Has the duties of:
*Posting polls he hear the peoples voice
*Posting elections polls
*Posting cabinet threads for his term
*Posting nomination threads
*Being a substitute when a goverment official is impeached or has resigned
*Serving his faction the best he can
The alpha talent is the second of the commissioner and is responsible for elections, finding out what the people want and helping the commissioner as best as his abilities let him.
Director Branch
Directors make up the directorate. Directors are elected in the area they oversee, and they have the task of informing and advising the people on our situation. They are required to conduct polls in order to interpret the people’s will. They are then to carry out that will, by giving their orders to the Commissioner.
All Directors are allowed to advise and consult with each other. They are also granted the right to petition for changes or actions from other Directors that may be critical to the their department. Ultimately, however, it is the Director in charge of his/her section that has the final say in how things are handled.
Directors must poll all major decisions, such as deciding what science advance to pursue, what to build in a city, or where to place the workers in a particular city. However, they can act on minor decisions without polling the people, such as what to do in the event of a mindworm attack.
Director of Science:
Has the right of:
*Starting polls to ask the people what there wishes are in his area
*Ordering the Commissioner what the next researched advancement is
*Advising any other part of the government
*Requesting buildings with the Director of buildings productions
Has the duties of:
*Starting polls to ask the people what there wishes are in his area
*Listing to the will of the people in his area
*Giving his opinion to the director of foreign affairs about any talks, which effect his area, with other factions
*Serving his faction the best he can
The director of Science shall choose the advancement to research.
Director of Exploration and Intelligence:
Has the right of:
*Starting polls to ask the people what there wishes are in his area
*Ordering the commissioner to move any exploration units and covert ops units
*Asking the director of Peacekeeping Operations for exploration units
*Advising any other part of the government
Has the duties of:
*Starting polls to ask the people what there wishes are in his area
*Listing to the will of the people in his area
*Consulting the director of Foreign Affairs during covert ops actions
*Giving back control of exploration units to the director of Peacekeeping Operations when the situation asks for it
*Serving his faction the best he can
The Director Exploration and Intelligence is command of exploration units and covert ops units.
Director of Peacekeeping Operations:
Has the right of:
*Starting polls to ask the people what there wishes are in his area
*Ordering the commissioner to move military units
*Ordering the commissioner to design military new units, disband old military units and upgrade current military units.
*Advising any other part of the government
*Requesting buildings and military units with the Director of buildings productions.
Has the duties of:
*Starting polls to ask the people what there wishes are in his area
*Listing to the will of the people in his area
*Giving his opinion to the director of foreign affairs about any talks, which effect his area, with other factions
*Designating a portion of his units as exploration units
*Serving his faction the best he can
May NOT:
Start wars if there hasn’t been official poll that says it is ok
The Director op Peacekeeping Operations has the control of all military units
Director of Foreign Affairs:
Has the right of:
*Starting polls to ask the people what there wishes are in his area
*Ordering the commissioner on talks with foreign factions
*Advising any other part of the government
Has the duties of:
*Starting polls to ask the people what there wishes are in his area
*Listing to the will of the people in his area
*Maintaining good foreign connections
*Giving his opinion to the director of Exploration and Intelligence on covert ops actions
*Consulting for advice any other director if his area is being discussed with foreign factions
*representing our faction in the councel
*Serving his faction the best he can
May not:
Declare blood truce, peace, pacts if there hasn’t been a poll saying it is ok.
The Director of Foreign Affairs will do all foreign negotiations
Director of Social Engineering:
Has the right of:
*Starting polls to ask the people what there wishes are in his area
*Ordering the commissioner to change the social engineering’s page
*Advising any other part of the government
Has the duties of:
*Starting polls to ask the people what there wishes are in his area
*Listing to the will of the people in his area
*Consulting for advice directors which are effected by changes made in the social engineering’s page
*Serving his faction the best he can
May NOT:
Change the social engineering settings if there hasn’t been a poll saying it is ok.
The Director of Social Engineering is responsible for the social engineering’s page
Director of Interal Affaires:
has the right of:
*mapping out regions in our faction
*advising any governer on how he should run his region
*veto an orders from a governer
*moving colony pods
has the duties of:
*dividing formers, crawlers and funds over regions in our faction
*making a list of every buildrequest by other director that has to be divided between the regions in our faction
*polling the peoples wishes on colonizing decisions
the director of internal affaires is the head of the governers councel
Governers:
have the rights of:
*ordering the commissioner to:
**move formers for his region
**move crawlers for his region
**start buildingqueues for his region
**rush constructions for his region
**move workers
*advising any director that concern his region
*polling for guidelines for his region
[all within the parameters given by the Director of Internal Affaires]
have the duties of:
*carrying out orders from the Director of Internal affaires
*advising the rest of the faction about this region the best he can
May NOT:
give orders in a specific field if the director of Internal affaires uses his veto on the subject.
Governers are assign by the people to take care of a certain region of our faction.
ARTICLE II: Government policy
Amendments:
Amendments to the Constitution can be submitted by any member of our faction. First in a form of a thread where exact lines can be discussed and after that in a poll. An amendment is passed and made official by a 2/3 or greater vote on the amendment's inclusion.
Office Terms:
All office terms shall last one month. A member can run for a different office at the end of his term, but he cannot change offices during it. If a member is elected three times into any government office, that member may not run for any government office the fourth consecutive term. After the fourth term he may run for any government office that is available. If this rule let not have a fully seated government, the rule will be deemed invalid for that term.
Impeachment and Resignations:
Every member of our faction is recognised the right to bring foreword the issue of impeachment of any government official at any time. The constitutional court will look at the demand and determine if an impeachment progress has to be started within 48 hours of the impeachment demand
The rules for the poll:
*There has to be started a one-choice-poll with the options: YEA, NEA and ABSTAIN
*5 days open
* 2/3 YEA vote to pass the proposal or under 1/3 NEA vote to pass the proposal
the rules for the first post:
*The unbiased reason why the person in question could be impeached
*The job of the person in question
*The time when the poll ends
If impeachment happens the alpha talent takes his place until a new election has been held.
Every government official may resign from office the alpha talent will do the same as with impeachment. If the alpha talent has to take over 2 or more government places we will freeze the game until new elections are held.
Playing ahead:
No person is allowed to play ahead for any reason.
Base Names:
The alpha talent or the commissioner will pick 5 names from the name thread and will put them in a poll where a name for a new city can be chosen. This poll has to be open for at least 2 days. The name with the most votes will be chosen for the base and will be scraped from the list. The same counts for landmarks. If someone wants to name a place without a landmark a poll has started about giving it a name or not. This poll will also have minimum of 2 days.
Article III: Polls
There will be 3 types of polls:
*Elections
*Official
*Unofficial
Elections:
May only be started by the alpha talent. Must have election
in the subject line. They are purely decision-making polls.
Poll:
*Office in question
*ONLY names candidates
*Abstain option (will Refrain from banana)
*Write-in-option
*3 days open
First post:
*ONLY names candidates
*Link to discussion thread
*Expire date
Official:
May only be started by a government official. Must have official in the subjectline, and must be used as information gathering or decision making
Poll:
*Abstain
*Write-in-option
*Minimum of 2 days
*Maximum of 7 days
*Clear and not biased question and answers
First post:
*Further explanation of the questions and answers
*Link to discussion thread (if any)
*Expire date
*Stated: information gathering or decision making
Unofficial:
May be started by all members of the faction. They are purely information gathering polls
Poll:
*Minimum of 3 days
First Post:
*Expire date (if any)
*Link to discussion thread (if any)
No-confidence votes
* The word abstain is hereby stricken from the constitution, and replaced with the term 'xenobanana'. This replaces the abstain option in all official polls and elections. This then follows the time-honored precedent where a banana vote signifies disagreement with all choices on offer, or, to put it more negatively, a no-confidence vote in the poll or candidate being voted on.
ARTICLE IV: Bill Of Rights
Clause 1: No person shall be denied the right to become a Peacekeeper citizen.
Clause 2: No citizen shall ever be denied the right to vote in any poll.
Clause 3: Free speech shall not be abridged unless it violates Apolyton rules.
Clause 4: No one shall be banned permanently from participating in the democracy game, excluding those who are permanently banned from Apolyton. Note that people may still be banned for any amount of time, as long as it is not permanent.
Clause 5: The right to associate into any form of organization shall not be denied.
Clause 6: No citizen may be punished in any way without due process of law.
Clause 7: The government may not knowingly hide information or give false information to the people.
Article V: The Court
1. Purpose:
The Court is constituted to rule upon: contested disputes involving legal interpretation, validity of polls, violations of the Constitution, or any other legal dispute involving the game.
2. Construct of the Court:
a. Size of Court:
The Court is composed of five Justices. Each Justice is to to be elected by the people, with a poll lasting three days.
b. Terms in office:
There is no limit to the number of terms a Justice may serve.
Each Justice serves a term of two months. All appointments and re-appointments must be approved by a majority vote of the public.
c. Senior Justice:
At the beginning of each case, the Court is to select a 'Senior Justice', who will be responsible for ensuring that a report is published for each decision made by the court, showing the rationale behind the decision. If the report is not provided, this may be grounds for an appeal. The Senior Justice will also preside over any hearings before The Court.
d. Other Governmental Posts:
A Justice may serve in other governmental posts, but may not serve as Commissioner or Alpha Talent while a serving Justice.
3. Case Structure:
a. Quorum:
At least three Justices must be involved in any ruling that is made. If only three justices are involved and they cannot agree, a non-voting justice must step in to break the deadlock.
b. Rulings:
All rulings are immediately official and final except where appeals are granted.
c. Appeals:
Appeals may be granted if there are grounds to believe that the constitution has not been applied properly. Any citizen directly involved in the case may make an application for an appeal. If 3 of the 5 judges decide to grant the appeal, a new trial will be created to examine the case. In that case, the current verdict is placed on hold until after the appeal process.
d. Injunctions:
The Court cannot stop the game to make a decision without a 2/3 vote amongst the people. In case of an emergency due to timing of a turnchat and poll of the populace, the Court may halt the game for 24 hours, but only by unanimous vote of the Court and only if a specific case has been presented to them that must be decided prior to the turnchat. In the emergency case, the Court would immediately have to present a 24 hour poll to the people for their approval of the Injunction. If not approved by the time of the poll's closure, the game immediately resumes where it was before.
e. Case Presentation:
The Court cannot act on any issue until a citizen of the nation brings forth an Issue to The Court. Issues to The Court should be posted publicly and must involve a dispute that the court is empowered to rule upon.
only constitution related issues posting here so no replies or spamming
Last edited by DeathByTheSword on 16-12-2002 at 17:34
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Zakharov VII
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Blah, I just posted this in the "Poll: Un Constitution" thread, but rather that posting here saying, "I responded in the other thread," I might as well copy and paste:
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In our Constitution...
Director of Peacekeeping Operations:
Has the right of:
*Starting polls to ask the people what there wishes are in his area
*Ordering the commissioner to move military units
*Ordering the commissioner to design military new units, disband old military units and upgrade current military units.
*Advising any other part of the government
*Requesting buildings and military units with the Director of buildings productions.
Has the duties of:
*Starting polls to ask the people what there wishes are in his area
*Listing to the will of the people in his area
*Giving his opinion to the director of foreign affairs about any talks, which effect his area, with other factions
*Designating a portion of his units as exploration units
*Serving his faction the best he can
May NOT:
Start wars if there hasn’t been official poll that says it is ok
The Director op Peacekeeping Operations has the control of all military units
Director of Exploration and Intelligence:
Has the right of:
*Starting polls to ask the people what there wishes are in his area
*Ordering the commissioner to move any exploration units and covert ops units
*Asking the director of Peacekeeping Operations for exploration units
*Advising any other part of the government
Has the duties of:
*Starting polls to ask the people what there wishes are in his area
*Listing to the will of the people in his area
*Consulting the director of Foreign Affairs during covert ops actions
*Giving back control of exploration units to the director of Peacekeeping Operations when the situation asks for it
*Serving his faction the best he can
The Director Exploration and Intelligence is command of exploration units and covert ops units.
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Nowhere are the terms "military unit" and "exploration unit" defined (at least, I don't see a definition - if they are defined, that settles the issue). Military units can be marked for exploration, but it's not clear in the Constitution whether some units are inherently Exploration Units. In SMAC, there are "Combat Units" and "Non-Combat Units", but there are further classifications. If you look under the base screen and change production, you see all the squares with the different things you can build. You'll notice that all units have a color and a little blurb below them - units with high attack are "Assault", units with high defense are "Defense", units with both seem to be "Attack", and units with neither, like a Scout Patrol, are "Exlporation/Defense".
Since Scouts, then, can be built for Exploration or Defense, I propose that the Director who has control over them is determined by what our Director of Base Production puts in the queue. His current queue is Garrison/CP/Scout; my interpretation, which seems to be backed by the SMAC categories and is not contradicted in the constitution, is that even though the Garrison and Scout are the same 1-1-1 unit, the Garrison is under GeneralTacticus's control since the Director of Base Prodution clearly has chosen the word "Garrison" to signify a Defense unit. The Scout is under Lemmy's control, since by the choice of words it's obvious the Director of Base Production wants an Exploration unit.
Thus I propose that the control over Scout Patrols depends on whether the Director of Base Production calls for them to be built as "Scouts" or "Garrisons", specifying which use of the Scout Patrol is intended (according to SMAC, remember, Scout Patrols are "Exploration/Defense" units). With Scout Rovers, I propose the Director of Base Production should call for either "Scout Rovers" or "Rover Garrison" depending on which meaning is intended.
On our Independant Scout Patrol, the general consensus is that it should be used on Exploration, but we don't really have much of a time for a poll. So we don't stall the game pondering these issues, hopefully GeneralTacticus can come in and say "OK, if it isn't an exploration unit already, it is now" 
Z
PS - isn't this the kind of Constitutional interpretation issue what we were thinking of when we discussed having a court?
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Method
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/me goes to France
Feb 2001
time: 00:22
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* Method must inform you that due to budget cut-backs, this post has been erradicated.
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DeathByTheSword
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soon to be a major religion
Nov 2001
time: 05:22
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Method
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/me goes to France
Feb 2001
time: 00:22
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* Method must inform you that due to budget cut-backs, the post has been erradicated.
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Maniac
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Gent, Belgium
Jul 1999
time: 06:22
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quote:
Originally posted by DeathByTheSword
PANDE just order constructing a second base without polling it! may i remind him that this kind of orders need to be polled for the location! (espaiselly so early in the game) |
I agree! Though later in the game I would perfectly understand it a Director doesn't organize polls for his every move, it is desirable this early in the game.
My rant about our current government:
GeneralTacticus, Kassiopeia and Ade are doing as good a job as they possibly can in this stage of the game.
TKG has organized two polls already about what techs to choose. A perfect example of how this directorate should be run! And I'm not saying this because he is a P4 member.
Lemmy is also doing good as he is creating a decent amount of discussion on his assigned field. The same counts for Vlad Antlerkov. It is worrying though they haven't posted any poll. I hope they won't follow the opinion of whoever cries out loudst in their discussion thread in the future.
MrWhereItsAt and Pandemoniak have done a lousy job up until now. Though they have started a discussion thread, they aren't listening to what is said at all. They just give orders to our Commissioner without any regard to the people's wishes.
Our Commissioner himself Darkness' Edge is just as bad. He played the game for five turns before all directors had given orders. Way too early! Most importantly the orders of the D of T&C were missing about the location of our HQ and the direction our second pod had to be sent. Perhaps I am wrong and there was a turnchat (a poll says the public wants those) in which the orders were given, but if so, where is the chat script? In any case, Pandemoniak not giving orders is not enough excuse for the decisions DE has made about our colony pods. I don't believe there was a majority in favour of building our HQ one tile SE. We should have built it right where we started. Also the second pod should have been sent towards the east, the isthmus, as Pandemoniak's own poll clearly indicates.
Personally I would propose an impeachment of MrWhereItsAt, Pandemoniak and Darkness' Edge with as reason leading our faction in a totalitarian way, if I didn't know such a process would be bound to fail as the CCCP and several other members of CDC wouldn't vote their own candidates out of office.
Tassadar, why don't I hear you complaining about party politics now?
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Darkness' Edge
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quote:
Originally posted by Maniac
Our Commissioner himself Darkness' Edge is just as bad. He played the game for five turns before all directors had given orders. Way too early! Most importantly the orders of the D of T&C were missing about the location of our HQ and the direction our second pod had to be sent. Perhaps I am wrong and there was a turnchat (a poll says the public wants those) in which the orders were given, but if so, where is the chat script? In any case, Pandemoniak not giving orders is not enough excuse for the decisions DE has made about our colony pods. I don't believe there was a majority in favour of building our HQ one tile SE. We should have built it right where we started. Also the second pod should have been sent towards the east, the isthmus, as Pandemoniak's own poll clearly indicates. |
There had been plenty of time for the directors to make orders, and in the case of the city site, I did NOT go it alone. In the absence of orders, I checked the relevant discussion threads, and went for the option with the greatest consensus. I didn't found a second city, because there was no discussion (as far as I could find) to go from, and it wasn't my decision to make. No, there was no turnchat. There was no suitable time in the short-term where I would be available at the time, AND still, there is no alpha talent to play any turns if I'm not available. So something of a turnthread took it's place. I asked for orders, waited until they were there, and then played those orders out. That's why only five turns were played - a short session, compared to most in DGs.
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Darkness' Edge
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quote:
Originally posted by Maniac
You waited two days with playing the first five turns. The minimum length of polls is three days. I admit I'm not familiar with how any other democracy game works, but still... |
The elections have been over for what, a week now? They had had their chance to poll. The Civ2 game, which runs from the 1st to the 31st, like us, has already played the first set of turns for this month - and they had played those out before I played these out.
I agree with DBTS' constitutional changes, and in principle, a court.
If you want, blame Pandemoniak for that, as he was the one who hadn't posted his orders. In the absence of any orders, I searched for any relevant information, so that the game could continue. I found one relevant thread, and in that, the general consensus was for the city location I founded it in. I did what was right in the circumstances.
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Main_Brain
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Economic World Center
Jul 2002
time: 06:22
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I see nothin which defines the Normal citizen Rights?
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Darkness' Edge
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quote:
Originally posted by TKG
suggestion: nominations start on the 20th of each month, last until the 27th (7 days), and the elections start on the 28th and last until the 31st? (3 days). in the case of a month with 30 days, move it all back one day. |
good...but perhaps we should finish the elections one or two days before the end of the month, to allow for transition time...
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02-09-2002 19:52
Unless it has to do with the P4....
for DBTS's proposals.
that's what DBTS is doing 
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