03-09-2002 00:06									#31
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Isnīt there bible studies in some of the more backwards states? Like the ones that forbid the teaching of the theory of evolution

	03-09-2002 00:07									#32
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yeah..i had to read the bible my junior year of high school..and i go to public school

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We had a Bible as Literature class in my Highschool. It was voluntary, and we were supposed to look at different stories based on Biblical stories (such as Jesus Christ Superstar). But the year I was gonna take it, the teacher decided to stop the Jesus Christ Superstar part, because it was sacriligious. Grrrr.

That was the backwards state of Illinois in 1984.

	03-09-2002 00:13									#34
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we didn't have a choice..we even had a school chaplain that prayed at fb games ...dunno if it's that way anymore....

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Well, I've learned the bible ( Old Testament ) when I studied in a religious school as a kid . They skipped the 'special' parts. When I studied bible in a secular school All was explain to us, and luckily the approach was not a theological one, but an analitic one , explaining to us the sources of the jewish monotheistic religion, etc.

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Another job for the international ***** slap patrol: a desperately needed UN agency that would seek out cases of rampant stupidity and ***** slap the offender until they learn to shut their idiot mouths.

sorry, I just get so frustrated by the world sometimes...

I think the proper way to handle a sitiation like this would be for social services to take that poor kid away from her mom. If growing up in a living environment where stupidity and ignorance is encouraged isn;t child abuse, what is?

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quote: Originally posted by devilmunchkin yeah..i had to read the bible my junior year of high school..and i go to public school

I dont' see the problem here so long as it's an analytical class. I wouldn't mind seeing a study on the Qu'ran, either, so long as it was done analytically (and voluntary).

What I would mind is a class where you can't say anything that might upset people who believe in that religion. If that's the case, then they can leave.

	03-09-2002 02:12									#38
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Che, you say Niger and Nigeria can't be used as offense by kids?

How about the following quoute, which could be very easily considered as an insult:

You are a Niger from Nigeria

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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara And you think that teaching this word to children isn't going to lead to kids substituting it for n*****, while still meaning n*****? I remember what it's like being a vicious little kid. If you had given me ammo like that I would have been using it all over the place and then being a smart-ass to any adults if they got upset about it. Don't fool yourself.

Oh the horror!! Kids might intentionally misuse the word!! Better not teach it to them.

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Requiring the teacher to apologize and explain her mistake was definitely called for and necessary.

However, the teacher's action seemed to definitely have been an honest, ignorant mistake, and does not call for being fired.

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quote: Originally posted by Sonic Che, you say Niger and Nigeria can't be used as offense by kids? How about the following quoute, which could be very easily considered as an insult: You are a Niger from Nigeria

Do you know how the words are pronounced? Niger sounds very little like nigger, whereas niggardly sounds almost exactly like nigger. Your example would be like trying to insult someone by calling them an azule.

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quote: Originally posted by MrFun Requiring the teacher to apologize and explain her mistake was definitely called for and necessary.

Bullshit. The teacher didn't do anything wrong except expand the kids vocabulary. I don't think we should start censoring non-offensive word in the English language because some ignorant people don't know their meanings.

For pete's sake, the word doesn't mean anything except being stingy. Isn't it absurd to start striking words from the lexicon because they sort of sound like an offensive word?

Don't teach them the word "bunt!"

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"Tighter than a fish's arsehole" would have much more appropriate

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quote: Originally posted by MrFun However, the teacher's action seemed to definitely have been an honest, ignorant mistake, and does not call for being fired.

Ignorant? You're kidding, right? The ignorance was displayed by the person who complained. Ignorance is hardly a word to be used to describe someone who knows what they're talking about

You've just shown your own ignorance

	03-09-2002 03:41									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov Bullshit. The teacher didn't do anything wrong except expand the kids vocabulary. I don't think we should start censoring non-offensive word in the English language because some ignorant people don't know their meanings. For pete's sake, the word doesn't mean anything except being stingy. Isn't it absurd to start striking words from the lexicon because they sort of sound like an offensive word? Don't teach them the word "bunt!"

She could have chosen from dozens of other words that nowhere near resembles a slur that targets a minority group.

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I'm certainly offended by the mother's ignorance. Maybe I can sue her or something.

And I'm sure ignorant people pronounce Niger exactly like nigger despite the fact that Niger is not pronounced as such. Perhaps people like this kid's mother should send a letter to the country of Niger asking them to change their name in case it is mispronounced and offends someone.

Ignorance is not an excuse!

edit: Che pointed out that my previous argument didn't follow.

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quote: Originally posted by MrFun She could have chosen from dozens of other words that nowhere near resembles a slur that targets a minority group.

Yeah, and she could have, but why should she even consider that? What kind of language fascism is that?

The word "homo" is a slur, so should we avoid teaching kids any word with the prefix "homo"?

No homonyms, homophony, homogeny...

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quote: Originally posted by ThePantaloonDog I'm sure little 5th graders when called a Niger from Nigeria immediately come back with "But Niger isn't pronounced like that!"

Spoken English is different from written English. If you mispronounce a word and use it the way you'd you another word that sounds exactly like what you're saying, you're actually saying the second word and not the first.

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To think I actually worried that nobody here would be idiotic enough to side with the mother on this.

I should have learned by now that no matter how moronic the point of view, someone on Apolyton will support it.

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Another tempest in a teapot. My, my, What if the teacher had taught about a space man who wanted to fly to uranus but he was too niggardly with the fuel so he ended up in a black hole instead? Then we would have a problem...

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Cali,

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quote: Originally posted by Lorizael Do the words have different roots? If their roots are the same, I might see a problem with this. Otherwise it's just someone being far more sensitive than they have any right to be.

They have completely different roots.

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'Niggardly' is a ancient norwegian word, imported to england by the vikings... 'nigger' comes from the river Niger, obviously more recent than the vikings (since the brits didn't know Niger existed until the 14'th century or so).

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At least I think it is from the river, and not a bastardization of 'Negro'. Either way it is older.

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quote: Originally posted by Tolls "Niggardly" has come up before...some congressman used it I seem to remember, and there was a ridiculous hoo-ha about it then.

IIRC, it was a Washington, D.C. city official who used the word; he said something like, because of budget constraints he'd have to be niggardly with city funds. One of the guys he was talking to was black and took offense. Some people called for him to be fired, and I think he wound up resigning. It was only 3-4 years ago, I think.

I seem to remember reading that the word "niggard" has Scandinavian roots, but it could be Middle English. Edit: I wrote this before I saw CyberGnu's post, which would seem to confirm the Scandinavian origin.

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Rex and Tolls, yeah, I remember that, and it still pisses me off...

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quote: Originally posted by Sonic Che, you say Niger and Nigeria can't be used as offense by kids? How about the following quoute, which could be very easily considered as an insult: You are a Niger from Nigeria

Sonic, you are a total moron. People from Nigeria are Nigerians.

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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov Yeah, and she could have, but why should she even consider that? What kind of language fascism is that? The word "homo" is a slur, so should we avoid teaching kids any word with the prefix "homo"? No homonyms, homophony, homogeny...

Ok, maybe white people have the right to own the feelings of black people, and tell THEM what they should find acceptable, and what they should find offensive.

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quote: Another tempest in a teapot. My, my, What if the teacher had taught about a space man who wanted to fly to uranus but he was too niggardly with the fuel so he ended up in a black hole instead? Then we would have a problem...

quote: Ok, maybe white people have the right to own the feelings of black people, and tell THEM what they should find acceptable, and what they should find offensive.

Well, when some black people have utterly moronic feelings, then perhaps they should own those feelings .

Total idiocy. People like that parent shouldn't have the right to reproduce. There should have been no punishment for the teacher at all.

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Reminds me of chemistry in highschool, where we were told to think of words starting with "bi". I think she was teaching us the word "bipolar". Anyway, we were given a warning to only think of appropriate words.

Speaking of which, I wonder what the parents view on the word "bicycle" is? Or bike? A certain minority group should most certainly be offended by these words!