06-09-2002 01:47									#1
	SCENARIO: 20th Century Mod – set in 1930 Support Apolyton, pre-order Civilization IV

This is a scenario set in 1930 (you’ll have to ignore the game year) on an original, huge world map. It features 20 new resources (with Harlan’s resource mod,) 3 new and 3 renamed (for the era) civilizations with Civilopedia entries and 6 new units, all of which have new entries in the Civilopedia. There are also 6 leaderheads, (3 of ccm01’s and 3 of sween32’s) 4 of them are animated. The A/D/M rates have been reset for a large map and some units have acquired new properties.

As you can expect, file size is large (16.5 MB ace file) and the first turn takes a while, once the AI gets a grip on what it has, the speed does pick up.

I’ve set up a web page with more information on the mod and the download but any questions, comments or critique should be directed to this thread.

Here’s the link: http://www.miccofl.net/Civ3/the20thcenturymod.htm and here’s a look at the map.

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Edit: You wil need Win Ace to decompress the file if you don't have it it is available (shareware) here: http://www.winace.com/cgi-bin/getfi...inace&width=628

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	07-09-2002 18:07									#2
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Here is a look after 20 turns of play. That stupid Hitler manged to get all 20 of his submarines sunk in the first four turns. (It took me that long to get a spy in place, he could have lost them in the first turn for all I know.)

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	07-09-2002 18:28									#3
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This look very interesting and I am now downloading it. This must have been a lot of work.

	07-09-2002 19:09									#4
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looks very interesting, but i don't like playing huge maps (too slow PC, not enough time).

could you imagine doing the same on el mencey's world map (standard 100x100)? that would be great

	08-09-2002 02:20									#5
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quote: Originally posted by: Sheik This must have been a lot of work.

It was, I lost count after 200 hours (that was two weeks ago.)

quote: Originally posted by: sabrewolf looks very interesting, but i don't like playing huge maps (too slow PC, not enough time).

Turns do take some time, but at least it won't take you weeks to get to this point. If I were to do the map again, I would want to go bigger, not smaller - It was hard enough to get shapes right (or at least close) with a map this size a smaller map would make for far less detail. The best way to play a big map is to get yourself a good book to read between turns. I've found Tom Clancy's books are great while playing Civ3, he breaks up the chapters so even if you are not finished with a chapter, you usually don't have to stop in the middle of something to take your turn. (Although some turns go a chapter or two.)

	09-09-2002 02:46									#6
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After three days the server reports 149 MB of bandwidth were used, that means five brave souls have downloaded the scenario. (I get 6 GB per month - come on, get me my money's worth for a change )

Turn 21; a world war breaks out. It's the Russians, the Germans, the Chinese, the Eithiopians, the Iranians and the Egyptians vs: The Americans, the English, the French and the Brazilians.

Turn 22; Joan switches sides when I wipe out Cleo (what a "Can't Understand Normal Thinking" - {it's an anagram.} )

I hope all of you are having as much fun with it as I am.

	09-09-2002 07:40									#7
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I haven't had time to play it yet but can't wait. I am working on a way to install it without messing up the current mod I have installed.

	09-09-2002 17:59									#8
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It should not affect your current game. The only change you would see would be Harlan's Resources and the leaderheads, and only those you are using, playablity would be unchanged. But to be sure just back-up your Art and Text folders. The mod does not alter civ3mod.bic.

	10-09-2002 04:01									#9
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Alright.

BTW Miccofl, If maps can get this big could you convert the map to something like 400 X 400?

	10-09-2002 04:58									#10
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quote: If maps can get this big could you convert the map to something like 400 X 400?

The biggest map size the game will allow is 256 X 256 If I could have made it bigger, I would have (only to make it look better if nothing else.)

	10-09-2002 21:48									#11
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It's time for this scenario to move on...

Do you have any 200px width image for the directory?

	11-09-2002 21:26									#12
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quote: Originally posted by miccofl That stupid Hitler manged to get all 20 of his submarines sunk in the first four turns.

Hitler??? In 1930??? Take a look into your history book!

	12-09-2002 01:20									#13
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quote: Hitler??? In 1930??? Take a look into your history book!

Would you have prefered Bismark? I gather you don't have a problem with Churhill and Ike.

Wherever possible I got leaderheads that were close to the time period, "Era Specific," not "Date Exact." (Also, there had to be a leaderhead available to use as I am not an artist.) It was intended for fun, not for a history lesson.

	16-09-2002 22:14									#14
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Hmmm...
Appears to be a very good scenario.

I'm downloading it now!

Just a correction: I'd saw in your site that Brazil's leader name is Julio Vargas. I don't have played it yet to know, but the correct name is "Getulio Vargas".
In fact, he was one of the Brazil's greatest leaders. Perfect choice.

	17-09-2002 03:01									#15
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quote: but the correct name is "Getulio Vargas"

Sorry, but spelling permutations from language to language plagued me throughout the creation of this scenario. Unfortunately there is no set rule when altering names, place names, etc. from one language to the next so that type of error will occur. At least I was able to get a leaderhead for him, thanks again sween32.

I see from your flag you are Brazilian. If I were to issue this scenario with Brazil as the human player, what would you suggest for a UU?

	17-09-2002 06:20									#16
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There is a lot of discussion about a UU to an eventually Brazilian civilization at some forums here in Brazil.
Some people think an enhanced explorer, simulating the “bandeirante”, whose have been responsible for the rapid expansion of Brazil’s boundaries, will be a good choice. Maybe an explorer that can settle cities and treaty all type of terrain as roads.
I heard once that a Brazil UU would to be from period of Paraguay War, where Brazil’s armed forces was tested to the maximum defending the homeland against the Paraguay invasion. I think the main Brazil military force there was the Rifleman and, in reduced numbers, Cavalry. But I think the best in this case will be a Rifleman with an increased attack.
Another good choice would be a modified infantry unit, which can be the “expedicionario” that have fought for us in WWII.

The problem with the “bandeirante” is that some people thinks he only had existed directly by the Portuguese, so they wouldn’t a truly Brazilian UU.
The “expedicionario” would be a good UU, but if I have to make a choice of one of the three, I think I’ll choose the modified Rifleman. They represent a period in history where Brazil was the most powerful regional military power, which had pushed the entire Paraguay military force (that time they was one of the finest in the world) back to their country and have occupied it for a lot of years.

Hope I had helped.

	17-09-2002 17:43									#17
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So many interesting possibilities - thanks. BTW have you checked out the civilopedia entry I made for Brazil?

	17-09-2002 18:35									#18
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Yep.
Very good description of Brazil's history from period of Napoleonic Wars to the 1930 Revolution, promoted by Getulio Vargas.
BTW, I don't had saw any description about the Paraguay War. This war have a lot of influence, throwing down de Dom Pedro II Monarchy and instituting the Republic, wich later will be deposed by the military cup done by Vagas itself.
If you want, I can make some entry.
Of course, you'll need to revise, cause my english is not that good...

	17-09-2002 18:47									#19
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could you possible settle down on your modifications in the directory entry?

	18-09-2002 04:21									#20
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quote: Very good description of Brazil's history from period of Napoleonic Wars to the 1930 Revolution, promoted by Getulio Vargas. BTW, I don't had saw any description about the Paraguay War. This war have a lot of influence, throwing down de Dom Pedro II Monarchy and instituting the Republic, wich later will be deposed by the military cup done by Vagas itself.

Oh yes, you are quite right. The original text that I had set for this was about 3000 words more than the program would allow for and unfortunately what you got was all I was allowed to give out under the program. If you could come up with a suitable file that would more accurately describe the Brazilian Civilization within the current file constraints I would be delighted to use it. We are only allowed the two screens, size unchanging to describe anything.

	25-09-2002 04:16									#21
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the scenario looks awesome. but it keeps freezing after i finish my first turn as, soon as the English go after i am done, it freezes, any suggestions?

	25-09-2002 19:37									#22
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It probably is not frozen; the first turn takes a long time. Your turn probably took at least 15 minutes, right? The AI has to do that 14 times. At best you discovered 5 civs on your turn, while 13 AI civs are going to discover each other on the AI turn, maps are exchanged, techs, etc. It also has to give build orders, unit orders, etc. Give the AI about a half hour to take that first turn, after that the speed will really pick up.

	26-09-2002 01:05									#23
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Thats what i thought at first, so i let it run. then i did the ctrl, alt, del, and it said that it was not responding., i tried reinstalling and the same thing happened again

	26-09-2002 18:12									#24
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Did you load from the save file or the bic? How much RAM do you have? 128 MB or less an this scenario will probably leave you dead in the water. If you want, we can try this: Load the game play your first turn, but do not end the turn. Save the game, post it here and I will see if I can get it to play itself through to the next turn. I would give you a save after my first turn, but we probably have a different style of play (you might not like what I have your units do) and I have an advantage on this map having played it 5 or 6 times that you might not want to exploit.

	26-09-2002 18:48									#25
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yeah, i know i have enough RAM, and it froze with both versions, perhaps I'll try again or try loading it on here.

	27-09-2002 21:32									#26
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quote: Originally posted by Damanbg Thats what i thought at first, so i let it run. then i did the ctrl, alt, del, and it said that it was not responding., i tried reinstalling and the same thing happened again

Yes. Always when I press Ctrl-Alt-Del, Windows tells me that the game doesn't respond. But if I let it run, and wait... and wait... and waaaait, the AI turn comes to an regular end sooner or later and I can go on playing. So Ctrl-Alt-Del is the REASON why the game locks up... maybe you got the same problem...

	27-09-2002 22:53									#27
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okay, i'll just let it sit for hours...haha...thanks for the help

	28-09-2002 04:39									#28
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OK, how about a save file? I can’t tell what (if anything) is wrong without viewing what is happening in your game.

The first turn is long, in the middle it runs smooth and relatively quick, the last few turns are usually: human – about 4-6 hrs, computer (AI) 30-90 min, but that is because of the world war. I’ve won this one on cultural, domination, diplomacy and space race, the last turn takes about 8-9 hrs to play (7.5 hrs for me the rest for the AI.) As stated this is a fully developed scenario. The only difference between this, and other huge map scenarios is this one starts in the late industrial era and not the Stone Age and units can cross the map before your hair turns gray if they weren’t gray already from getting to this point in time. Huge map scenarios are notorious for being slow, this one builds everything for you and allows you to skip the early BS and get right into the meat of the game. Personally, I believe the longer it takes for the AI to play “Its” turn, the better I have played mine. Don’t expect any turn in this scenario to last less then one half hour, unless you plan to lose.

	29-09-2002 02:51									#29
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awesome, can't wait to actually play it

	04-10-2002 00:48									#30
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Well, for me it has been saying 'Configuring Scenario' for the past hour... Time to hit ctrl-alt-del...