06-09-2002 15:55									#1
	Play by email exploit? Got spare money?

Now, let it first be said: I have never played PBM games before

When starting a PBM game, you have to have all the other players email adress, since you have to send the savegame manually, right? Or how does the send savegame works?

What kind of protection is there in a such game? Are there a password for each player, or is there some unique files on the different players computers, so nobody else can play as some other player?

And something else: Is there any kind of "security" against reloading the game? (So if some player attacks, but looses, and then he/she reloads the game, but this time, he/she doesn't attack, and thereby saves a lot of units...)

	06-09-2002 16:00									#2
	Re: Play by email exploit? Support Apolyton, buy Alpha Centauri

quote: Originally posted by ADG Now, let it first be said: I have never played PBM games before When starting a PBM game, you have to have all the other players email adress, since you have to send the savegame manually, right? Or how does the send savegame works? What kind of protection is there in a such game? Are there a password for each player, or is there some unique files on the different players computers, so nobody else can play as some other player?

Password.

Also, at least in SMAC, there was this odd exploit where you could switch your race to match someone elses, and althogh the graphics for everything would screw up you could see the other factions...

Sometimes friends and I play a game, and then switch roles to see who can beat who....it gets very odd sometimes.

	06-09-2002 16:59									#3
	Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

I'd assume password protected. As for the reload, who knows, but there should be a way to keep people honest.

	06-09-2002 17:44									#4
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization 2

Hmm I wonder myself why do you want people keep playing by the rules with restrictions and sanctions all the time? What’s with values like honour, integrity, trust,... are these all dead? And do we only interact with people when we have rules in the back? What our society needs more than laws are good old values and people which are willing to be fair out of their heart and not only because rules tell you to do so.

What do you think about this?

	06-09-2002 17:54									#5
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quote: Originally posted by Galvatron Hmm I wonder myself why do you want people keep playing by the rules with restrictions and sanctions all the time? What’s with values like honour, integrity, trust,... are these all dead? And do we only interact with people when we have rules in the back? What our society needs more than laws are good old values and people which are willing to be fair out of their heart and not only because rules tell you to do so. What do you think about this?

Allthough I agree in principle, I'm affraid it's abit naive

I wouldn't cheat, others will (sad but true

	06-09-2002 18:52									#6
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quote: Originally posted by Galvatron Hmm I wonder myself why do you want people keep playing by the rules with restrictions and sanctions all the time? What’s with values like honour, integrity, trust,... are these all dead? And do we only interact with people when we have rules in the back? What our society needs more than laws are good old values and people which are willing to be fair out of their heart and not only because rules tell you to do so. What do you think about this?

Well...that's how it should be, but try to tell that to the rest of the world, and make them do it... 90%+ of this world, will cheat, if they are sure, nobody will ever find out... If we still had trust and honor, then why would we need a police station?

As sad as it is, words like trust and honor is almost gone...

	06-09-2002 19:30									#7
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Sad?

Deceit, Greed, Dishonesty, Distrust are all vital parts in the engine of Capitalism.

You should be glad they exist.

	07-09-2002 08:46									#8
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Where did I say I like capitalism???

	07-09-2002 09:46									#9
	Got spare money?

You should like capitalism; without it we would all still be living in mud huts and sacrificing goats to make it rain.

Back to PBM: The file could easily be hacked even with passwords. In the end you will just have to trust the other players not to cheat.

	07-09-2002 09:51									#10
	Help yourself to an AD-FREE life

quote: Originally posted by Oerdin You should like capitalism; without it we would all still be living in mud huts and sacrificing goats to make it rain.

.001/100

quote: Back to PBM: The file could easily be hacked even with passwords. In the end you will just have to trust the other players not to cheat.

Correct......I usually only play MP games with people I trust. Call me xenophobic, but I've had too many bad experiences with cheating (main offenders being Starcraft and Red Alert 2) so....

	08-09-2002 04:57									#11
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization 2

I've played in 6 different PBEMs. In 3 of them, another player cheated (two different culprits). There's no easy way to defend against cheating with hex editors etc. Best way is to play most games with a group you trust.

	08-09-2002 12:53									#12
	Support Apolyton or Terrorists Win

quote: Originally posted by Tassadar5000 .001/100

Roll your eyes all you want Tass but in the end Greed motivates 99% of all human advancement. Greed is simply captialism in it's most pure form.

	08-09-2002 18:06									#13
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization III: Complete

quote: Originally posted by Oerdin Roll your eyes all you want Tass but in the end Greed motivates 99% of all human advancement. Greed is simply captialism in it's most pure form.

Allthough this may be true, it isn't a reason to like it.

	08-09-2002 18:25									#14
	Help yourself to an AD-FREE life

Back to topic on savegame reloading cheat possibility. I was playing hotseat game on SMAC, if there is an attempt to reload, a warning window popped up during the other player's turn saying there an incident of possible reloading of the savegame file.