06-09-2002 20:13									#1
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One of the proposed build queues involves an SP (albeit somewhere down the track a little). I guess to be prepared, we need to know which we are going for first, whether the SP forms part of the queue we decide upon now or comes later.

We currently have:

Biogenetics: - Human Genome Project - +1 Talent per base

We will have in 9-10 turns:

Centauri Ecology: The Weather Paradigm - increased terraforming by 50% and ability to build Boreholes and Condensors

Possible techs to get early on (but still some way off):

Industrial Base (one tech away): - Merchant Exchange - +1 Energy for each square at that base

Planetary Networks (two techs away): - Virtual World - Network Nodes act as Hologram Theatres (-2 Drones and +50% Psych)

Doctrine: Loyalty (three techs away): - Command Nexus - Command Centre in every base (quick unit healing, +2 Morale to ground units built here)

Options are the SPs themselves. There is a 6th option to write in for a later SP if you feel it is important.

Three day poll.

	06-09-2002 20:18									#2
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Weather Paradigm by a stretch, the saved former turns will number in hundreds. The HGP is not direly needed since as the PKs we get Talents on our own, and other SPs can be quite nicely covered with base facilities.

	06-09-2002 20:23									#3
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Certainly my feelings reflect yours here Kass.

At least as far as the HGP and WP go.

	06-09-2002 20:26									#4
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WP.

Even if we don't use all the nifty terraform options the WP allows, the faster formers will be very nice.

	06-09-2002 20:38									#5
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Why bother even polling the electorate with this one? Even the CCCP lefties couldn't possibily want anything but the WP. (And if they all start to yell for something else now, you know exactly what I'm going to yell at them.)

	06-09-2002 20:46									#6
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I fear Maniac.

For some wacko reason the idea has already been tabled to impeach me, Darkness' (of ALL people!) and Pandemoniak (I think).

The poll is easy to make, means I can rub something in the faces of any who claim I am somehow "despotic", and gives me a place to vent if I need it.


Oh, and +3 at the moment.

	06-09-2002 20:46									#7
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Archaic has a point, we probably could have written in the Constitution that the first SP should be the WP at least before MY 2xxx, and no one would've dared to protest it. I'll be genuinely surprised if there's a vote against the Paradigm.

	06-09-2002 20:50									#8
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i dont want to nitpick over the constitution AGAIN! and it is not a big deal. But would you please put official in the subjectline nexttime!?

and WP ofcourse but HGP i want to if it is possible

	06-09-2002 20:56									#9
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Ah. Sorry DBTS - I was so wrapped up in making sure it met legal specifications (no bias in first post etc.) that I forgot.
'Scuse me.

So long as no-one claims this poll is invalid.

	06-09-2002 20:56									#10
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quote: i dont want to nitpick over the constitution AGAIN! and it is not a big deal. But would you please put official in the subjectline nexttime!?

DBTS, good man, take a breath and relax. I was just speculating on the matter, not asking for an amendment to be made. I was just making a point, an example. You've done a good job and the Constitution is good as it is.
Edit: Oh, I made a mistake and thought you were raving about my little speculation. Sorry. But at least I got that base covered before you'd have a chance to mention it.

	06-09-2002 20:57									#11
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Well, since we're only at Thinker, it should be possible to get *all* the early S........wait.........no.........we won't be able to because people don't seem to understand the necessity of building bases close together to maximise the ability of crawlers to rush build...Xx;

The reason to impeach Darkness BTW is well founded, and the one for Pandemoniak has ground too. I wasn't aware of one for you though.

	06-09-2002 21:04									#12
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2x
@MWIA its nothing serious but it is easier if you have got much time and only came to vote on importent issues

@kass speculate all you want my dear sir you wont find me being insulted by who ever on this or an other forum. I believe is 'trancended' that

EDIT:

@Archaic yes constitutionly it is well founded

but give those guys a break and this is for everone the game just started. if would be pissed if the declared war or something like that later in the game. this was an unforute accid...no i am not even going to call it that so an minute thing was this so lets just all

	06-09-2002 21:47									#13
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The Weather Paradigm has my support -- let us learn everything about our new homeworld.

	06-09-2002 22:14									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Archaic Why bother even polling the electorate with this one? Even the CCCP lefties couldn't possibily want anything but the WP. (And if they all start to yell for something else now, you know exactly what I'm going to yell at them.)

Quit eating your snot and be civil, Archaic.

	06-09-2002 22:30									#15
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I voted for the Humane Genome Project. So this poll wasn't useless. Thank you for organizing itl MrWhereItsAt.

	06-09-2002 22:37									#16
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No problem. It's easy to make a poll when there are a finite number of choices.

	06-09-2002 23:04									#17
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Could you have an option of "any SP we get the tech for, we try for"? While WP is a given, on Thinker getting them all should be a snap. Although Archaic has a point about the expansionist agenda so many here seem afflicted with making that difficult.

	06-09-2002 23:06									#18
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WP

	06-09-2002 23:07									#19
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Oh, and on that note I voted ME. I want it

	06-09-2002 23:08									#20
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quote: Originally posted by moomin Although Archaic has a point about the expansionist agenda so many here seem afflicted with making that difficult.

Normally I would be someone against building more than one SP early on for the sake of expansion, but with all those mineral bonuses around, the temptation is just too big! Let's build several SPs!

	06-09-2002 23:09									#21
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moomin- your post seems to suggest you don't care which we go for first, which is what this poll is about. Maybe you should vote for WP or HGP, since we are very close to having the tech for these right now, and thus can start on them as soon as the queue dictates.

EDIT: Just too late. Nm.

	06-09-2002 23:23									#22
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Oh, I actually think that ME could very well go first - in my own game I try to put that in a new city by any body of water, so it takes a lot of time, while I'll try for HGP, WP and VW in older, more established cities (or cities close to prod bonuses...) So if our east-going pod ends up on the land bridge between freshwater and ocean (where is should be - if only for the navy benefits) I think we might start the ME there rapidly. The others can wait a bit, because it seems to be an area with a lot of good prod that'll give them a big boost.

I still want them all

	07-09-2002 00:09									#23
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Do you people have no brains!? We must get Empath Guild before ANYTHING else!!!





WP is my vote.

	07-09-2002 00:39									#24
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ALL OF THEM!

but WP, HGP, VW, CN, PTS in that order. HGP isn't CRITICAL like it normally would be, but it's nice, and good for depriving the AI of

	07-09-2002 01:00									#25
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quote: Originally posted by MrWhereItsAt I fear Maniac. For some wacko reason the idea has already been tabled to impeach me, Darkness' (of ALL people!) and Pandemoniak (I think).

The reason for impeaching you and Pandemoniak no longer exists.

Darkness' Edge of ALL people? From that comment I assume DE is a really nice bloke. As I didn't know him at all before this demo game started I can't comment on that myself. I can just comment on the actions he has already done in this game, and one of those actions was playing turns way too early before decisions were made. Do you deny that was wrong of him? Even now he still hasn't posted the deadline for directors to turn in orders, despite the fact Pandemoniak asked for a date several times. Do you think I shouldn't have posted my rant against DE? Judging from his posts in the constitution thread even now he denies to have made mistakes and played the game too early. Therefore technically there are still several reasons to impeach Darkness' Edge (of ALL people), despite the fact you consider those reasons wacko.

	07-09-2002 01:05									#26
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Was it DE who singelhandedly decided to move that first pod up north?

	07-09-2002 01:13									#27
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Yes he did. He moved north while the poll clearly said to move east. His mistake of siting our HQ SW instead of on our starting location can be accounted to overlooking people's posts (he thought there was a majority for SW while on all threads I looked there was one for our landing spot)., but how he could overlook the results of Pandemoniak's poll I do not understand...

	07-09-2002 01:15									#28
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That was an impeachable offense indeed. Still, if he cleans up his act I think we'd all like to actually get on with the gmae now.

Much like with Clinton

	07-09-2002 01:25									#29
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quote: Much like with Clinton

as long as DE doesnt start smoking sigars

	07-09-2002 01:26									#30
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Sure. If he cleans up his act there is no problem at all. Just like Pandemoniak and MWIA have cleaned up their act. I don't have any wish to impeach DE at all. I just believe I needed to speak firm words to get some results. Unfortunately most people here don't appreciate that. Zippergate... That makes me think. Should we give this incident a name as well?