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Dida
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XOR, you idea about Great Wall is totally wrong. It not only stop mounted unit, but also foot soldiers from coming throgh. It also help transport troops alone the wall, from Eastern China to Western China rapidly. It also help the communication, (smoke during the day and fire at night). There are many points in building the Great Wall, and it did more than just stoping the mounted units from coming through.
For Sun Tsu, it is sure that the book is not complete. But you are completely wrong if you think you can get everything about war from a book that is 50 pages thick. (the english version could be slightly thicker). His strategy applies more than just to war making. Many Japanese business leader use it as guide in conductiing their business.
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Martinus Magnificus
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Nijmegen, Netherlands
Feb 2001
time: 06:22
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I totally agree about the effects of wonders being not realistic, but they are fun. With the Manhattan Project, however, I'm not satisfied. It should be small wonder, just like the intelligence agency. It would add a lot more strategy to the game. Also, the UN wonder should have more effects, like peacekeeping actions, agreements on the reduction of arms, pollution agreements, etc.
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brianshapiro
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Berkeley
Nov 2001
time: 21:22
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shouldnt the Internet be a small wonder , it looks as if it will be in the game as a large wonder. every nation can build an internet structure ; i guess the first has the great advantage though as it is
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jkelly
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Cambridge, MA
Apr 2002
time: 00:22
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quote:
What? The US was the first to allow women to vote. The rest came right after, but the rest did come and did allow women to vote. |
Xor, this isn't accurate. New Zealand, in 1893, was the first country to give women the right to vote. It wasn't until 1920 that women got the vote in the US, two years after they got the vote in the United Kingdom and in Canada.
As an aside, you're not the only one who questions the continued relevancy of _The Art of War_, but, game-wise, it does only effect ground troops, as has been pointed out.
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Bolt
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how do I create airbases?
Done in PTW
but the rest of the things in your list can't be done with the editor and latest patch (to my knowledge).
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Zero
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Bouncing back and forth
Sep 2002
time: 00:22
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i dont think we should be worrying about realistic value of wonders when the pyramid provides free granary. The more realistic is always welcomed but there is a point to where it takes fun out of game and just gets plaining annoying to balance issues just to make realisitc. the point of game is kinda of provide at least a bit of alternate reality.
for all those realism fanatic... how fun would civ be if it was exactly like history? meaning if you chose romans your empire will fall by germanic barbarians ina predestined time. wouldnt be much of a game would it.
if i may add one thing about sun tzu. someone before got the idea right, sun tzu is not about war at specific time in specific location. so XOR is right that it doesnt apply in modern era. It doesnt apply to ancient wars, medieval, modern and future upcoming wars. its a general idea principle thats important and its you who read thats supposed to take the learning of the old and apply it. In fact sun tzu isn't even about war if u really think about it. For instance you can apply sun tzu to anything from range of chess, checkers, civ3, fight with your girlfriend, solving crime, and list is endless.
When I read sun tzu the foreword mentioned sun tzu's version of philosophy revised for business world.
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