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The Mad Monk is offline The Mad Monk
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Apparently, the largest since the Gulf War:

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100 jets join attack on Iraq
By Michael Smith, Defence Correspondent
(Filed: 06/09/2002)


About 100 American and British aircraft took part in an attack on Iraq's major western air defence installation yesterday in the biggest single operation over the country for four years.


The raid appeared to be a prelude to the type of special forces operations that would have to begin weeks before a possible American-led war. It was launched two days before a war summit between President George W Bush and Tony Blair in America.

The Prime Minister promised that Britain would be alongside the Americans "when the shooting starts".

The raid seemed designed to destroy air defences to allow easy access for special forces helicopters to fly into Iraq via Jordan or Saudi Arabia to hunt down Scud missiles before a possible war within the next few months.

Although only 12 aircraft dropped precision-guided bombs on to the H3 airfield, 240 miles west of Baghdad and close to Jordan, many support aircraft took part.

The strikes were carried out by nine American F15 Strike Eagles and three RAF Tornado GR4 ground attack aircraft flying from Kuwait.

At least seven types of aircraft took part. Fighter cover was provided by US F-16 Fighting Falcons and RAF Tornado F3s from Saudi Arabia. RAF VC10 tanker aircraft flying from Bahrain were among the support aircraft.

These also included EA6b Prowlers, which send out signals to confuse enemy radar, and E3a Awacs aircraft that co-ordinate operations and carry out reconnaissance of any response.

RAF Tornados also took part in the reconnaissance. American central command refused to go into detail about the number of aircraft involved in the raid.

It said: "Coalition strikes in the no-fly zones are executed as a self-defence measure in response to Iraqi hostile threats and acts against coalition forces and their aircraft."

The Pentagon said that the raid was launched in "response to recent Iraqi hostile acts against coalition aircraft monitoring the southern no-fly zone".

Iraq had made 130 attempts to shoot down coalition aircraft this year.

The Ministry of Defence in London refused to confirm that RAF aircraft had taken part, but defence sources said that Tornado ground attack and reconnaissance aircraft played a key role. The attack on what the American central command described as an "air defence command and control facility" was the first time that a target in western Iraq had been attacked during the patrols of the southern no-fly zone.

Until yesterday, all strikes had been against air defence sites in the south, around Basra, Amara, Nassairya and Baghdad.

Central command said it was still assessing the damage caused by the attack. If the air defence installation was not destroyed, a second raid is expected.

As well as blinding Iraqi radar to any special forces helicopters, the loss of the H3 installation would allow allied aircraft mounting major raids on Iraq a trouble-free route into the country.

In a further sign that America was preparing for war, a Pentagon official confirmed that heavy armour, ammunition and other equipment had been moved to Kuwait from huge stores in Qatar.

Thomas White, the army secretary, said: "We have done a lot with pre-positioned stocks in the Gulf, making sure that they are in the right spot to support whatever the president wants to do."

Any war on Iraq is likely to begin with a gradual intensification of attacks on air defences. But yesterday's raid appears more likely to be related to the special forces Scud hunts.

It was the SAS which specialised in the attempts to hunt down the Scuds during the Gulf war. Although the raids were largely unsuccessful, they spawned a series of rival books by former members of the regiment.

Mr Bush, speaking in Louisville, Kentucky, said that, besides having talks with Mr Blair, he would be meeting the leaders of France, Russia, China and Canada over the next few days. He would tell them that "history has called us into action" to oust Saddam Hussein, the president of Iraq.

He said he was looking forward to the talks, but suggested that the US could do the job on its own if need be.

"I am a patient man," he said. "I've got tools; we've got tools at our disposal. We cannot let the world's worst leaders blackmail, threaten, hold freedom-loving nations hostage with the world's worst weapons."



According to what I've heard on the radio, the airfield in question was where we lost a plane in the initial attack oh-so-many years ago.

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Still smaking air defenses in the no fly zone. That has been going on for 10 years.

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It'll be another stupid, pointless war. Nothing will be achieved.

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Yes, war never solves anything...

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Yes, war never solves anything...


oh come the f*ck on. that statement is pure bullsh*t.

the civil war solved nothing?

world war ii solved nothing?



maybe if we ask nicely saddam wont build WoMD.

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What the **** do I care if Saddam builds WMDs?

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I was being completely sarcastic, but obviously I didn't convey that. How about this?

Yes, war never solves anything...


Did WWII solve anything? Of course not! Hitler is still in power, isn't he?

Did the first Gulf War solve anything? Hell no! Saddam Hussein is still in control of Kuwait!


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Whoa, orange and I agree on something

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True dat.

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War only seems successful when other options are not pursued, and because we perceive only one timeline, it is impossible to pursue other options once we have gone to war. Who knows, maybe there were other ways to prevent the spread of Fascism. After all, World War II only exists because of a number of different conflicts in the recent and distant past.

What war will World War II start? Well, actually, it has indirectly led to other conflicts, which will of course breed more conflicts still.

War is a short term solution only. It causes more harm than good in the end.

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War is a short term solution only. It causes more harm than good in the end.


There is absolutely no proof for that statement.

Give war a chance. It works sometimes.

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How does war work? What ends does it achieve?

Besides the ends of killing millions, of course.

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If you can't see how World War II worked, then I don't know if I can explain it to you. In fact, if war had been pursued sooner in the 1930's, millions of people probably wouldn't have died. If France had rolled into Germany when Hitler reoccupied the Rhineland, WWII would probably have been avoided. The reluctance of France and Britain to go to war allowed Europe to be engulfed in the worst war of all time.

With that in mind, why shouldn't we take out Saddam Hussein now when we have the chance to do it relatively easily? Why should we wait until he gets nukes or invades one of his neighbors again? There's a thin line between pursuing a peaceful settlement and being hopelessly naive, with Neville Chamberlain being the de facto example of the latter.

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