10-09-2002 14:01									#1
	questions about subs Support Apolyton or Terrorists Win

What ever happened to the "boomer" subs of Civ2? It was great to have a sub loaded with 8 Tac nukes quietly cruising the seas. Now that nuke subs can only carry a pitiful single tac nuke, I find myself not even bothering to use this ability. Perhaps firaxis felt the new ICBM unit rendered a heavily loaded nuke sub obsolete. However, the cost savings would add up if a sub could carry multiple nukes, for example; 4 ICBMs=2000 shields compared to 4 Tac Nukes + 1 Nuke Sub=1340 shields.
I'm still scratching my head as to why cruise missiles have lost their ability to fit on subs. Not a huge problem on maps with large continents but I find it bothersome on island maps.
Ah well, just a little minor whining.

	10-09-2002 16:34									#2
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Three words: Use The Editor.

	10-09-2002 20:16									#3
	Want a big sub game? Put an end to popups!

If you want to play with lots of subs, go into editor and make these changes:

BS -- not detect invisible
Bomber -- not detect invisible

SSN- attack 10 and hidden nationality.

Now instead of a ton of ironclads and BS, AI tends to build many SSN's. Since the only strat resource is Uran, they tend to be around for awhile.

Lose a few BS to these enhanced SSN's and
suddenly Sub patrols are needed.

{Just a game variation, not recommended for regular play.}

-- PF

	10-09-2002 20:51									#4
	Support Apolyton, pre-order Civilization IV

i've made it a policie that in a time of possible war were i expect the sub to be out their and not come back before war is declared i'll shuve a nuke in so should it need be i can use a tacticle nuke instead of a ICBM.