11-09-2002 07:24									#1
	Campaign Thread: Minister of Imperial Expansion Enter the AD-FREE zone

This is the campaign thread for the IE minster.

Candidates:
Jonny
GenghisFarb
E_T

Please feel free to ask candidates questions.

Last edited by Jonny on 13-09-2002 at 07:21

	11-09-2002 07:37									#2
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I'm going to make this fairly brief, beacuse I don't have much time at the moment, so please ask any questions if you have them.
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I'm Jonny, and I'd like for you to vote for me to become the new Minister of Imperial expansion. If elected, I promise to listen to all and consider all ideas; I won't listen to some people more than others. I will often poll the people about building a new city before doing it, of course, due to time, this may not happen all the time.

My general plan for expansion is to build cities on Uber Isle, as there is almost no room on the Ababanana(is that spelled right?) mainland.

Of course, expansion is more than just building cities. We can also expand with military might, as we have done before. Should we decide to go to war (mainly up to the SMC and Foreign Ministry to decide, of course), I reccomend America as our #1 target. They are weak, and they have incense.

So, please, I'd like your vote for IE minister. Remember, feel free to ask questions. Thank you.

P.S.: In case you care, this is my 5th time running for IE minster.

	11-09-2002 07:42									#3
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Too all candidates:
1. What is the next city site you would suggest (on both Uber and in former Persian territory)?

2. What is the highest amount of overlaping city squares would you allow under normal circumstances?

3. Do you support squeezing my Geofront like some have?

4. Which GenghisFarb leaderhead is your favorite?

	11-09-2002 07:42									#4
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To all canidates,
I'll have lots of questions, since I was having so much fun grilling the Science Canidates that I'll probably carry that over to here.

Here's one to start with, though...

Prioritize the following three terratories by value in regard to cities:
1. America
2. Persia
3. Uber Island

By this, I mean that if we had to do them in the order that we thought the land was worth, which would we do first, second, and third? Uber Isle because it's totally empty? Persia because it's a great and defensable position? America because of the incense? Factoring build costs in a bit -- assume that we'd be building new settlers for the Uber Isle plan, building a large military for the Persia plan, and building a smaller military for the America plan.

This is fairly hypothetical, since the order we'll probably do stuff will depend on how much longer the opportunity is open, but I'd like to understand how all three canidates think a bit better...

-- adaMada

	11-09-2002 08:05									#5
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quote: Originally posted by Apocalypse Too all candidates: 1. What is the next city site you would suggest (on both Uber and in former Persian territory)?

I would wait for more of the middle to be viewed before committing to citysites there as we don't have a definite shape to the inland lakes and locations of resources that would take high priority and contol where a city could be placed.

There is one DEFINITE city spot on either of the two lowest hills that will allow the city to use BOTH whale resources. That is a definite site as there is no other way to include them. There also needs to be a central site with good shield production for the ability of jumping the palace and/or building the Forbidden Palace.

quote: 2. What is the highest amount of overlaping city squares would you allow under normal circumstances?

Depends on the goal of the region. Cities with lots of hills and mountains require more overlap to utilize all tiles, cities with grassland/plains can grow to use more tiles and the larger the city the higher the score. We are playing the Egyptians and get a shield bonus for larger cities.

If a region is expected to house the palace or FP the cities need to spread out more and have less overlap in order to take advantage of our civ specific city shield bonus. If they are far away from the palace or fp they should be closer together as corruption will take away the commerce and shield production of larger cities.

quote: 3. Do you support squeezing my Geofront like some have?

I was the one who proposed razing Tyre and moving it East to give Geofront more room. Geofront is a potential 20+ city and should not be crowded like originally proposed due to its high production potential with abundant mountains and grassland.

New Tyre's site was chosen to be a 20+ city with approx 10 hill tiles that when mined will provide another excellent army/wonder factory.

quote: 4. Which GhengisFarb leaderhead is your favorite?

Deedlith the Elf Princess

quote: Originally posted by adaMada Prioritize the following three terratories by value in regard to cities: 1. America 2. Persia 3. Uber Island

1)Persia - if takeable
Has every resource America has AND spice. Better land (grassland AND river tiles) and more defensible.

2)Uber Island this is kinda iffy as we're not sure what other resources are on the island but better city land than America.

3)America is the potential 'battleground' of this game. Even after we take it we will probably see other civs try and fight us over it. Has incense and land types that make saltpeter, oil, and aluminum likely to appear there.

	11-09-2002 14:19									#6
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quote: Originally posted by adaMada To all canidates, Here's one to start with, though... Prioritize the following three terratories by value in regard to cities: 1. America 2. Persia 3. Uber Island By this, I mean that if we had to do them in the order that we thought the land was worth, which would we do first, second, and third? Uber Isle because it's totally empty? Persia because it's a great and defensable position? America because of the incense? Factoring build costs in a bit -- assume that we'd be building new settlers for the Uber Isle plan, building a large military for the Persia plan, and building a smaller military for the America plan. -- adaMada

Uber Island:
Can be worked in parallel with all endevors on the mainland. I'll work, with the peoples input. to place the cities in the best way, with the least amount of overlap. The exact placement will depend on the actual terrain in the interior of the island and the needs of the colony.

Because of the distance between it and the mainland, it is highly defendable until the later middle ages. This also makes it hard to supply the island until then, as I don't reccomend possibly lossing resources in a crossing. The colony is self sufficient and I'll make my recomendations to the City Planner as to my needs.

Persia:
I follow the decision to take the first three cities and then see what path the war will take. Moving Sidon & Tyre are to be the first things to be dealt with. The war beyond the first set of objectives will have the added advantage that Persia has a large road network and ready work force (i.e. slaves) to be exploited.

America:
No roads to speak of, therby, longer war. We will have to lay the roads before we have the first spice available to us. My recomendation is to wait until later. It will still be there.

Other things:
1) Place a city around where Munich was.
2) Take three/four French cities and move Rheams
The Peace treaty will be breakable by then, without reprocussions.
3) Make any further recommedations to the City Planners for additional resources as they are needed.

I'll endevor to further the greatness of the Banana, through placing any future cities at the best site.

E_T

Note to reader: I originally had a larger campain post, with replies to quotes from Apocolypse, but my machine hickuped while proffing it and I lost the whole thing . So this post is a bit smaller. It's 5:30 AM, so at least I've got most of my main points in. Vote for me and the greater glory of the Banana!

	11-09-2002 21:52									#7
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Just so people can see how I would probably work if elected. If a site was obviously the best location and no other site would equal it I would simply point it out and ask what priority the citizens felt it should have.

If there were several sites, I would display them, describe the tile/production differences and let the citizens discuss which site they preferred.

Here is the site I proposed for Uber Isle:


It was an obvious site and virtually everyone agreed to its location.


Current proposal for complete colonization of Uber Isle



Here's my current proposal for the Persian Front, note that both sites are on rivers and will not need aqueducts and will be able to build hydro plants later in the game. New Tyre only shares two tiles with Geofront.

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	11-09-2002 22:24									#8
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Here's the site I proposed after the fall of Munich.

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	12-09-2002 06:50									#9
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Answering Questions Time!

quote: 1. What is the next city site you would suggest (on both Uber and in former Persian territory)?

As there are not many city sites left, my long term plans are very similar to Genghis's, so I will not post mine at the time. However, I think the next city built on Uber Isle should be at Genghis's "site F" on Uber isle, as I see those two whales as an important asset. I also recomend that we build a city near a razed city site very soon after razing it, or some other civ will build there first.

quote: 2. What is the highest amount of overlaping city squares would you allow under normal circumstances?

Not too much, usually no more than 3 or 4 tiles. However, in low-food production areas, such as mountains, hills, and tundra, we should build cities closer together to increase tile usage.

quote: 3. Do you support squeezing my Geofront like some have?

I do not support this, as I think Geofront is a city with a lot of potential, so I say little overlap. Also see my answer to the above question.

quote: 4. Which GenghisFarb leaderhead is your favorite?

No comment.

quote: Prioritize the following three terratories by value in regard to cities: 1. America 2. Persia 3. Uber Island

I would have to say:
1) America - they have incense, and they should be fairly easy to conquer.

2) Uber Isle - it's empty land, so we should build there before some other civ finds Uber Isle and builds there as well. There could be some good stuff in the unexplored land in the middle.

3) Persia - Sure, they have good land, but can we really affort such a large military campaign?

Remember, vote Jonny!