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MIAMI (Sept. 11) - Despite a $32 million renovation, Florida's new election system crashed in an embarrassment that, like the 2000 election, left voters wondering whether their votes counted, candidates pondering recounts and everyone asking who's to blame.

''You guys have NO idea what a mess this has been,'' state election monitor Mike Lindsey wrote his Tallahassee bosses in a pre-dawn e-mail from Broward County on Wednesday. ''The mess was the result of no planning, poor leadership, lack of 'process ownership' and passing the buck.''

The debacle, echoing the 2000 presidential stalemate, drew even more scrutiny because, once again, Florida had a high-profile race that was too close to call.

With 3 percent of precincts still to report by Wednesday afternoon, former Attorney General Janet Reno trailed Tampa lawyer Bill McBride for the Democratic gubernatorial nomination by 19,000 votes out of more than 1 million cast.

The voting problems ranged from technical to human error. Workers had problems starting up new touchscreen voting machines; ballot cards tore and couldn't be read on optical scanning machines; technical problems delayed processing the electronic cartridges used in the new touchscreen voting machines. In Miami-Dade, nearly half of the ballots that were still uncounted on Wednesday were cast by black voters.

In addition, some poll workers failed to show up; several polling places opened late; some voters were wrongly turned away for not showing a picture identification.

In response to complaints Tuesday, Gov. Jeb Bush extended polling by two hours - but that led to yet more abuses: in Hollywood, workers at one precinct who had not been told of the extension held the door shut and cursed at voters.

In all, 14 of the state's 67 counties reported voting problems, including six of the seven that were sued after the 2000 presidential stalemate.

On Wednesday, the blame game was fast and furious.

Bush and voters pointed fingers at election chiefs in Miami-Dade and Broward counties, which bought touchscreen machines to replace punchcard equipment. All counties were required to get rid of punchcard ballots.

''Let's be clear about this: 65 counties got it right. Wasn't perfect, but they got it right,'' Bush said. ''I guarantee you that in November, the election will run much more smoothly than the supervisors of elections allowed to occur.''

Others, however, worried that Florida's troubles were a warning of more to come. Several states scrapped punch-card ballots, bought new equipment and changed their laws since the presidential race.

''It's not just Florida. It's a national problem,'' said Rob Richie, executive director of the Maryland-based Center for Voting and Democracy. ''We will have lots of problems in the next two months.''

Reno met with legal advisers and contemplated legal action Wednesday. ''I'm thinking to myself this morning,'' Reno told reporters as she ducked inside headquarters.

She could demand a recount or sue to overturn the results. Secretary of State Jim Smith said the race may be tight enough to automatically trigger a statewide recount - less than half a percent.

''She's extremely upset about the disenfranchisement,'' said Reno spokeswoman Nicole Harburger. ''People were not allowed their right to vote. ... That's unacceptable to her.''

By Wednesday afternoon, with 97 percent of precincts reporting, McBride had 597,822 votes, or 45 percent, compared with Reno's 578,240 votes, or 43 percent. State Sen. Daryl Jones had 154,626 votes, or 12 percent.

Tuesday's election contests in 12 states and the District of Columbia brought other voting problems, though none on Florida's scale.

In suburban Maryland, where a new computerized voting system was in place, poll workers at each poll site had to tabulate results on paper, then drive the results and computer memory cards to county election headquarters.

Ballot tabulation machines also failed in North Carolina's Robeson County, forcing officials to slowly count by hand. But once again, the nation looked at Florida and shrugged.

''In 2000 the stakes were higher and we held up the whole nation,'' said Dario Moreno, head of a political think tank in Miami. ''This is series of major mistakes and, as a political scientist, I don't know if you can count this in any sense of the word as a fair election.''

Many of the problems occurred in Miami-Dade and Broward, which bought touchscreen machines from the same company, Elections Systems & Software, and did not run mock elections to test the machines.

Palm Beach and Hillsborough counties, which bought different touchscreen machines, were relatively trouble free. They ran mock elections in advance.

The U.S. Civil Rights Commission, which issued a critical report after examining problems in 2000, warned in June of a ''mini-disaster'' in the primary due to voting machine changes, precinct changes after redistricting and lingering problems.

The Justice Department said it was looking into the latest problems.

One elections administration expert said it wasn't one machine or another that caused problems, but the sweeping efforts toward improvement.

''When you change as many things as you changed in Florida, all at once, you can expect that the first election after that is not going to go smoothly,'' said Doug Lewis at the Elections Center, a national nonprofit group of election administrators.

Georgia, which bought 19,000 touchscreen voting machines for every precinct in the state, is testing each one before it is used. It used the new machines in last month's primaries in only two of its 159 counties, and reported few problems.



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My county (in Maryland) uses the easiest things possible. You have a scan-tron like sheet, you take a marker, then you fill in the appropriate arrows. We've been using it for at least six years.

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more elitist stuff

morons don't deserve equal representation?

Every citizen should be represented in the goverment. Pres Bush is an example of this. He represents the stupid people in america.

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How can you mess up a TOUCH screen. My god....even if your poor or elderly or whatever. It isnt that freakin hard.

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Why are morons allowed to become president?

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Bro the redneck in the white house probably has more brain cells that you.

"morons don't deserve equal representation? "

Nope... they dont. They shouldnt even be voting. There obvouisly morons and are easily swayed by pathetic populus rhetoric. If you cant touch the screen and press "vote". You qualify as a moron

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Thank God I registered Independent.

I think both Demo and Repub are jerks as a whole, but both have some good ideas. I just try to combind the two.

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there are never problems in my state.

We don't use high tech touch screens. but we do use electronic type push button thingies

and we have early voting. This works wonders. No one has an excuse not to vote. Lines are short etc.

In conclusion: my state is the best state to live in.

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Why are morons allowed to vote?
Because that would be descrimination, you jackass.

And why do morons tend to be democrats?
Heh, a lot of the time people ask the same thing of conservatives

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Nope... they dont. They shouldnt even be voting. There obvouisly morons and are easily swayed by pathetic populus rhetoric. If you cant touch the screen and press "vote". You qualify as a moron


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Bro the redneck in the white house probably has more brain cells that you.

"morons don't deserve equal representation? "

Nope... they dont. They shouldnt even be voting. There obvouisly morons and are easily swayed by pathetic populus rhetoric. If you cant touch the screen and press "vote". You qualify as a moron


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Why are morons allowed to vote?
Because that would be descrimination, you jackass.


But we don't allow those who are mential disabled/retared to vote. Is that descrimination?

How about those in jail? How about those who are dead! About that poor seal lion with a Six Pack ring around it's neck?

Some people have an IQ like 130... but wouldn't know how to screw on a light bulb. We all came across those people.

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Nope... they dont. They shouldnt even be voting. There obvouisly morons and are easily swayed by pathetic populus rhetoric. If you cant touch the screen and press "vote". You qualify as a moron


Actually, I agree in principle. Idiots should not be voting, because they by definition don't know ****. Not that they should be denied the vote, I just think they shouldn't be voting. And since about 90% of everyone is a moron....

But seriously, do you REALLY want stupid people determining the course of the country?

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need I remind the people of the Simpsons episode where the Mensa people were running the town.

I think we can equate the Simpsons with real life.

smart people are no better at running things.

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To anyone who SERIOUSLY thinks that "idiots" should not be allowed to vote...

Yes, countries may well be better run under a "dictatorship of the intelligent" just as countries may be run better by a very intelligent dictator.

However, this does not make this the right way to run a nation.

A society, from which a nation arises, can be defined as a large number of individuals coming together to advance themselves to a greater extend than any of them could as an isolated unit.

In a modern liberal democracy, these individuals come together, in the most part, into a Rawlsian system whereby everyone can reasonably be expected to agree on the nations' principles of justice (if not their application)

Everyone of these people should have the right to vote to modify the way these principles are woven into the institutions of state.

This is how the state retains it's authority

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But we don't allow those who are mential disabled/retared to vote. Is that descrimination?

Can you prove this? I have never heard this before. Who decides if a person "Is to Mentialy Disabled" to vote?

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If morons tend to be demoncrats because they don't know any better...

However, if they don't know how to vote... why are they voting?

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But seriously, do you REALLY want stupid people determining the course of the country?
That sounds very much like your history course, David, concerning the founding fathers and the electoral college.

Democrats aern't on the whole stupid, nor are Republicans, extremists in both parties cause problems.

The thread title is just silly.

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I agree that so called "smart people" should not have the only say in how a country is run. But there are laws that prevent seriously mentally handicaped people from voting. If it was otherwise then those people could easily be coherced by the so called smart people. Who draws the line? Well it is the "smart people" of course.

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More importantly- why are stupid people allowed to survive? A few good samaritans could kill of large numbers of pick-nose idiots.

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why are smart people allowed to survive

there are more stupid people than smart people.

just be glad they let you earn more money than they do.

some of you guys are so spoiled. You don't understand what its like in the real world. You smart guys should be thankful for your life that society gives you. Because in an anarchy situation some of you weakling smart people would be killed.

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Errr... Dissident... there are more smart people or at least people who have common sense than stupid people. Ha... in an anarchy situation? Like where? In Somalia? No way... I am not moving there.... and there will be no situation like that in the developed world anytime soon. It is you who doesn't understand what it is like in the real world.

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Errr... Dissident... there are more smart people or at least people who have common sense than stupid people.


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But we don't allow those who are mential disabled/retared to vote. Is that descrimination?

How about those in jail? How about those who are dead! About that poor seal lion with a Six Pack ring around it's neck?

Some people have an IQ like 130... but wouldn't know how to screw on a light bulb. We all came across those people.


Hey! My IQ is over 130. I am those people.

(my wife does our mechanical work, like using the ATM card and replacing light bulbs)

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riots do happen. although they are much more subdued in the U.S. than in other areas. And riots aren't total anarchy, only very localized anarchy.

but you get my point. Yes our society is very firm. But if our nation were ever taken over. Hmm well that's not likely to happen

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I think that everyone should be allowed to vote, including morons. That being said, if you're too stupid to follow the black arrow (or touch the proper button) and end up voting for Pat Buchanan, you have no right to bitch. You're the idiot who can't figure out something as simple as a ballot, so go do all your complaining into a mirror.

Now, why don't we address the real question this whole fiasco brings up. How are the Democrats going to blame the evil Republicans for this?

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But we don't allow those who are mential disabled/retared to vote. Is that descrimination?


As far as I know, the standard for voting is that you are able to comprehend the question being put to you and formulate a coherent reply.

In other words, it would take someone with an IQ <40 or so to be disqualified.

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and by smart people I mean people with IQ over 130.

I'm only judging from what I have seen at Apolyton. Many people here consider people who like Britney Spears stupid. While some people who like her probably have an IQ around 100. While technically they aren't stupid, many people here at Apolyton do consider them dumb.

And by that margin I say there are more people with an IQ less than 100 than people with an IQ over 130.

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Britney Spears is beyond stupid... her IQ is in the single digit range...

Correct me if I am wrong but didn't she say this: "I like overseas places"... that is what I was told by somebody.

Therefore anybody who likes Britney Spears must be the same.

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riots do happen.


Yeah... whatever... riots... right... maybe they do happen because some people are just acting stupid however the US remains to be a power nation.

 
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