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Fiji
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Antwerp,Belgium
Dec 1999
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Most people here have probably at some time tried to image what the battles actually look like.
Some movies do a good job of showing this:
Legion vs Warrior: Gladiator
Chariot vs ~Phalanx: Gladiator
Dragoon vs musketeer: Patriot
Musketeer vs Musketeer: Patriot
Knight vs Pikemen: Braveheart
Marines vs Partisan: Full Metal Jacket
Knight vs Knight: Joan of Arc
are there any other good examples?
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johnmcd
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Edinburgh
Oct 1999
time: 05:12
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Rifleman v Rifleman- The Trench, Regeneration
Skeleton v Phalanx- Jason and the Argonaughts
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Christantine The Great
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Massachusetts
Jun 2000
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I would think that it would be
phalanx vs. riflemen
(The Zulus did have small spears)
horsemen vs. settlers (any Western movie)
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johnmcd
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Edinburgh
Oct 1999
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I think it would be riflemen versus warriors.
If we weren't using rifles by the Boer War I'd be amazed, They were certainly available and the world's leading nation would certainly have been aware of them, also the ratio of troops would suggest a better weapon than a musket. I think that the phalanx suggests a better level of organisation and armour than the Zulus' possessed in battle, no disrespect intended, the Scots took a severe doing for the same martial sins, but I think the Zulus' had more in common with the warriors than the phalanx
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Christantine The Great
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Massachusetts
Jun 2000
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I guess you are right, johnmcd. Maybe they are Vet. Warriors.
Submarine vs. Destroyer (U-571)
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SandMonkey
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"Das Boot" was an awesome movie, I thought it was better than U-571 (the explosions were was too over-done, at least in my view).
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Ken Hinds
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1. The movie on the Zulu's vs. the British was Zulu Dawn. If you remember, as the sun came up in the morning it was kind of an "Oh, Sh--" scenario in front of the British. While I don't truly know how much difference it would have made in the end, but I've often wondered two things about the battles depicted in the movie. First were the ammo distribution scenes accurately depicted, especially the supply sargents refusals of requests for additional bullets? And two would an adequate distribution of ammo changed the outcome at all or just provided more dead on both sides but the same ultimate results? I saw the movie about half way through my 13 1/2 yrs in Service and it reinforce some of the concepts that I had been taught. Primarily, with enough disciplined troops, you don't need high tech to win.
2. The movie "Das Boot"/"The Boat" was indeed a great movie and the book is even better, especially in the original German. My addition has additional comments by Herr Glass about the background for the book. The English version that was/is? available here in the states is a fairly accurate translation and the movie follows the book(s) quite closely. A lot better than most movie adaptations of books do.
Ken
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johnmcd
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Edinburgh
Oct 1999
time: 05:12
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There may have been a different title for the Zulu film in the US, in the UK the one with Micheal Caine in it was just called Zulu, unless there is some weird little suffix title that nobody talks about...
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Ken Hinds
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OK, I need a little help here. It's been close to 20 years since I saw any of the Zulu movies and maybe I have some misconnections between movies and titles. The movie that I thought was Zulu Dawn starts out with a discussion between various Powers that Be about the situation with the Zulus and whether/where they will attack and the Army's readiness/ability to handle the situation. The battles took place on fairly heavily raveened areas which gave the Zulus a considerable advantage. The British troops were using manually loaded breech loading firearms. They were vastly out numbered and did not have enough cases of ammo located at their forward deployed positions. This is what lead to my original question about the battle as depicted in the movie. The implications of the movie was that one of the main causes, if not the main cause, of the British Defeat was that too many units had people standing in line waiting for the distribution of too little additional ammunition that would arrive too late or not at all. Don't ask who was in this movie, because I have no clue. Hopefully someone of you can tell me which movie I actually saw. This was in a theater and not on TV so it wasn't Shaka Zulu, which I only saw part of anyway.
Thanks,
Ken
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Ken Hinds
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The ANZAC, thank you. I thought that I had seen Zulu Dawn. As I said the battle scenes were all on broken terrain. For the most part the Zulus were below the line of sight for the British or out of range and then they just swarmed up the hillsides overwhelming the defenders.
SG is probably correct in his assessement that Zulu Dawn may have been more technically accurate, at least as far as the terrain goes. I've replayed the battle as the Zulus in the Victoria campaign using Age of Rifles and the terrain map is full of hills, knolls, and ravines of various sizes. SSI is usually quite accurate in their preset scenarios and campaign components, consistant with game play requirements.
Do you know was ammunition distribution a significant problem in the actual battle? Or, was that just another case of American Filmmakers picking on the British Mentality for a bigger box office take?
Ken
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johnmcd
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Edinburgh
Oct 1999
time: 05:12
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Oi! it wasn't a British invasion it was an ENGLISH invasion, we Scots have a alliance of over 700 with our French friends. So watch it or I'll start referring to you as an American.
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