13-09-2002 07:12									#1
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Has anyone out there read any of Turtledove's WorldWar series and is it possible to bring the Race(lizard-like aliens with advanced,sort of like current and future technologies against WW2 tech for us humans) into a Civ scenario?

	13-09-2002 08:27									#2
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Yes and Yes. IMO the World War books would make a fantastic scenario.

	13-09-2002 09:19									#3
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Hmm ... there is a scenario included with Civ II MPG/Gold where aliens attack Earth and you have to defeat them (or play as the aliens) with what's left of humanity. That's probably as close as one will ever get to having a Turtledove book converted into a Civ II scenario. (I only wish they had built the alien scenario on a standard-sized world map, instead of a "medium-size Earth map.")

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	18-09-2002 10:33									#4
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not true! scotf did a scenario on the great war novels!

	18-09-2002 17:15									#5
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World War Novels* = Aliens invade Earth in WW2

Great War Novels = The South wins the US Civil war



*Note: I'm being very generous describing these books as novels

	19-09-2002 06:35									#6
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Yes,i've read the Great War trilogy and the How Few Remain prequel and i'm now moving on to the American Empire trilogy.Why do you say you are being generous calling them novels?

	19-09-2002 20:12									#7
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What is so bad about the World War series?

I understand your complaints about the great war... Turtledove does sometimes overplay things and ham it up- acting like some 60's war movie person... "He frowned at his son... his son did not know true war. For if he did- he would hate it." Seems to be a reaccuring theme in ALL his works It gets tiring after a while

	20-09-2002 10:26									#8
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actually i think case was only saying that the world war novels are sub standard. note the ommision of the asterik next to the great war book

	21-09-2002 06:33									#9
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Yes,I must admit by the time you get around to the 2nd of the Colonization books,so therefore it's really the 6th in WW series,you sort of can see where things are going.I think it has more to do with being comfortable with the characters than sub-standard writing,but maybe that's just my bias,I got REALLY sucked into the series and i'm fairly easy pleased.I prefer reading history and current affairs than fiction so....

	22-09-2002 10:38									#10
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quote: Originally posted by H Tower actually i think case was only saying that the world war novels are sub standard. note the ommision of the asterik next to the great war book

Yep. I read the 4 original 'World War' books when they came out, and found them to be fun but dumb.

I gave them all away to charity last month.

	23-09-2002 07:15									#11
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I started reading Great War series but found suspension of disbelief too difficult.

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Blasphemy! The World War novels by Turtledove ROCK in a fun, escapist sort of way! I can't wait for the Colonization book where we invade the Lizards' home world and colonize it!

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	24-09-2002 12:49									#13
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In a general sort of comment, I have always enjoyed the alternate history scenarios. There have been a few novels I have read that would make great scen. Nazi's defeat the d-day landings... Japanese invade Australia.... the american civil war fought with circa ww1/ww2 technology... Some of these have already been made available by designers, but some more would be great....

	24-09-2002 13:32									#14
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Yes, poison gas in the Civil War would have been interesting. And not just because there would have been more carnage among civilians. World War I technology and "industrialized warfare" would have meant completely different tactics for both sides.

But I think the North would have won anyway.

	25-09-2002 07:19									#15
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I've been trying to get our library to get some more Alt History novels in.They have some What ifs,books that sort of look at famous battles in history and tweak events to get a different out-come.There was one that really stood out,it looked at Hannibal,Battle of Trafalgar,
a few Civil War events,quite a few WW2 events,i'll try and find it again if anyone wants its name,maybe someone out there knows what it is or can recommend anything like that.

	26-09-2002 13:41									#16
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I would have to say that the 'Harry Turtledove' books might make good CIV senarios, but they are not well written - Yuk!

A really good Alternative History novel is Bruce Sterling and Williams Gibson's THE DIFFERENCE ENGINE.

	26-09-2002 14:04									#17
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a relatively informative site I have been looking at lately is www.strategypage.com. There are some good articles on a wide range of topics including alt history.

Obviously the site itself is rather pro American... but if one can read through the bias then it does make for some enlightening reading...

Perhaps some of the pieces can challenge the more creative amongst us?

	27-09-2002 04:28									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Th0mas A really good Alternative History novel is Bruce Sterling and Williams Gibson's THE DIFFERENCE ENGINE.

Wow! I didn't think that anybody had ever finished that book! (I gave up on it after 100 turgid pages).

	27-09-2002 11:21									#19
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Sory Case - I too loved The Difference Engine the prose were not turgid, they were Victorian (an easy mistake to make) and, for me, added to the atmosphere of the read.

How about ?Harry Harrison?'s "A Transatlantic Tunnel, Hoorah!" another one from my favourites shelf...

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	27-09-2002 11:24									#20
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,,, Oh and unless I am getting my alt history books confused it (The Difference Engine) also served to bring Ada, Countess Lovelace to life at a time when I was grappling with the programming language named in her memory ...

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