27-12-2000 20:18									#1
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I was wandering around the CTP2 posts when I saw a topic with a subject related to the age of the people playing strategy games. I always wanted to know the age of my teammates in PBEM games and if they are male or female (I doupt if there is any although I saw one in the posts on the topic mentioned before). Don't you???
I only saw BirdMan and Quinns posting there. And as I discovered they are some old dudes (comparing to me) who trying to remember the old days when they where youngsters .
Just kidding of cource. I hope (trully) to have the courage and their brave when I will be at their age with their responsibilities of raising a family to be a kidd on my own and play computer games!

Well, how old are you guys?
Male or Female?
I am 25.
I am a male .

	27-12-2000 20:51									#2
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Heh. Females..

btw i'm 27/m

see my pic on profile: http://geocities.com/charlie_zero_five

I don't think I could handle a girl who played computer games as much as me lol

Yeti

	27-12-2000 21:41									#3
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I'm 20.

And with a name like King Thor. Do I even have to mention my gender??

	28-12-2000 10:40									#4
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I'm 28. And you can guess my gender from my name.

	27-12-2000 23:11									#5
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	27-12-2000 23:23									#6
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I believe we have a member of the more deadly gender in our dutcheese game, Klair from Toulouse, France.

She is leading the power graph in a very dominant way.



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	28-12-2000 04:05									#7
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I also play quite a bit of SMAC PBEM and there are a lot more female Players on the ACOL Forum than here. I know only of Klair and Lung amongst the CTP'ers and there was another right at the start of DC but she disappeared.

I'm 37, a real 'oldie', and fairly obviously male. It amazed me that when I very first played PBEM, which was SMAC, that my opponents were cut from just about every age-group, social background and nation under the sun. I had feared I would be swept away in a tidal wave of adolescent hormonal imbalances but very far from it. Through SMAC and CtP PBEM I have not only enjoyed some great Games but also met some genuinely very nice and interesting people from all over the World. Regardless of age or gender this little community seems united by the common love of 'Gaming' with all the history of board wargames, plus some RPG thrown in, that that entails.

Maybe TBS Games don't have the kiddie appeal of RTL, though I do enjoy being thrashed by the AI at 'Standard' Level in AoE's as well. PBEM is much more the preserve of those who enjoy City Micromanagement rather than simply building for the old fashioned Civ1 'Chariot Charge'. It is also much more convenient for when you have to work and cope with a 'normal' adult life you simply cannot tell everyone else to leave you alone whilst you spend 12 Hours glued to the PC.

	28-12-2000 04:25									#8
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Oh, so we have a female PBEM gamer and a good one. That's nice .

Hahaha, nice picture you have there Yeti . Maybe we could tell Klair to email you ...and maybe play some PBEM with her .

Yeah I know your gender Thor. You are a female, right? Just kidding .

Paul? Is that a female name? Kidding .

Common BirdMan you can do better than that .

Fraze, you haven't tell us your age!

Jon, the Lung I now is a male not a female . And I will agree with you that in these forums you can meet many interesting people from all over the world of all the ages young and older guys who share the same desire for Turn-based strategy games and probably for other genres. And I think great games like CTP and SMAC do not distinguish ages!

	28-12-2000 12:59									#9
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Sure I can - I can just cut-n-paste my post from a similar tread on CTPII-General I think it is one of the top ten topics there

Many other of the players on CTP has posted there already.

By the way - I would also be very surprised, if it shows up that Lung was female Unless there are two of the same name - could be one on a different site.....

	28-12-2000 14:29									#10
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Yeah I know about that post. I just didn't show many responses from players from this forum (CTP-Multiplayer) or a gender clarification so I started this topic here in this forum.
Maybe I sould post a topic about genders there .
Would be interesting to know if there are any female CTP players among us!

	28-12-2000 18:36									#11
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Ok Keygen - just keep this between me and you (and the rest of the gang ).

Male, 43 years 9 months and 19 days. IT-manager (www.lyngbyes.dk). Married, 3 girls: 44 years 23 days (ohhh... that was my wife ), 13 years and the last one - 10 years old.

Going through TPG II (ThePerfectGeneral)(ms-dos), Risk (ms-dos), CIV II, Ceasar III, SMAC to CTP.

And - if WES gets his mod working AND/OR Craptivision make at least on patch more, that include PBEM - CTP II. Open for CIV III when that game will be released.

Other games?

RTS: Red Alert, AOE and AOK. No problems in beating the AI on any levels/map sizes - if I survive the first 10-20 minutes, that is . Has always been a slow starter in those games.

Best AOE-rank on "The Zone" 2 years ago between 600 and 650 - and that was not so bad at all.

And of course I had played Chess - both the "real" game face-to-face and against the PC - but never online.

And besides - this counts a one post more for me AS KING BEFORE NEW YEAR - YAHOOOOO.....
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	28-12-2000 20:08									#12
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Nice BirdMan! You have just made this topic even more interesting.

I am not married.

I am a software tester. I work for a company (www.archetypon.gr) wich is collaborating with Microsoft and Lotus regarding the testing process of localized versions of some of their products. I have been involved in the testing process of some of the localized versions (French, Dutch, Italian, Spanish, Greek, etc) of Windows 2000, Windows 2000 Service Pack 1, Office 2000 Service Release 1, Lotus Notes 5.0.5, Lotus Sametime 2.0 (something like Netmeeting for companies and organizations) and currently waiting for Lotus Workflow 2.1.1 to come (A flow chart program).

I used to play risk when I was younger (12-16), later played Axis & Allies for a period (regarding board games).
My parents had gave me an Atari 2600 (or was it 2000, for Europe maybe?) for a gift when I was 10 or 11. I had stayed up till late many times at that summer . Then they bought me a commodore 64. This home computer was really something!!! After that I had sent some time with my brother's Amiga. I started dealing with PCs from the 1994 but I only had the chance to buy one not until 1997. I played Civilization 2, Call to Power & Alpha Centauri from the first day they came to Greece, War Craft II, Total Annihilation, Age of Empires, Age of Kings (a little), Quake II & III, Final Fantasy VII (one of the best games ever) and some more.

That's for now .
Hoping to see some other PBEM players comming here and post similar things too.

	29-12-2000 10:33									#13
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Quinns -- Steve Quinn (gramps), Male, 44, Married, One Son, One Grandson ... (Got you beat Birdman ).

I have played tennis most of my life,(as some of you might have guessed from my web site that we are using in our CTP PBEM rating system -- www.worldtennisratings.com), at a high level of mediocrity, I might add .

Played Chess most of my life also -- best rating -- 1758 tournament level. I still play online Chess on the ICC (Internet Chess Club). (Hey Krash, is that you on the ICC with a name of "krash"?? ... If so, did you all know that Krash is a Grand Master Chess player!! How about some free lessons Krash ... I can use all the help I can get !! )
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	28-12-2000 23:41									#14
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Oh yes.

But as I have stated: I am (was) a slow starter

My grandchildren will probably show up before I know

	29-12-2000 00:07									#15
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Klair is very very good!

I am third in DC and for a Game of it's age would normally reckon that things were ticking along quite nicely but she is over twice my ranking in the PG and still rising!

They may be a rarity in TBS Games but when they are there they tend to be dangerous. There is also the old saying about 'hell hath no fury' and Lung, Davina Luland - definately female, is a prime example. Vicious, vindictive and utterlly ruthless when crossed, watch her like a hawk!

	29-12-2000 00:14									#16
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I am chocked!

Ohh my Good - I have to think my tactics for a game or two over again.......

	29-12-2000 00:19									#17
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LOL! I agree with Jon. The reason women CTPers are more effective and more dangerous is because their brains work in mysterious ways that are unbeknownst to us mere men.

It makes it difficult to figure out their next move, and they can be utterly ruthless and totally vindictive. *shiver* Worst of all, they dont get the "ego" guys tend to get when they have a lead, this means they tend to piss fewer other players off, and hence no one gangs up on them.

Haven't played too long in a game with Klair, but she does seem like a very good player.

	29-12-2000 00:25									#18
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Only this:


King Thor is already trapped


Right guys?

	29-12-2000 00:35									#19
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BirdMan you're just jealous!!!

You would've been preparing to get a spanking from me if it weren't for Jon. He is one tough player and he is protecting your bum from me so dont be too happy!

	29-12-2000 00:44									#20
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Yeahhhh?

And I am obvious protecting him (The Saint Himself) to be spanked by the other female in Lung Fast?

I didn't know - and I am still not convinced Lung?

But never-the-less (as I use to write) - the game must go on.

	29-12-2000 00:49									#21
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Trapped ??

Birdman I think you've been married longest and with 2 more females, I wouldn't like guess about the pecking order in your household, no wonder your such a tyrant in your fantasy life.

I’m 28 and a programmer (Delhi\SQL, FoxPro\SQL, html, VBA, a bit of everything really).

I think the PBEM demographics are working out thus:

Mostly male (but with some very notable and welcome exceptions)
Any age post teen
History of gamming of one type or another
IT related profession

Is this correct?

	29-12-2000 00:56									#22
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I know for sure, that I am doing all important decisions - but somehow, I cannot recognise all those later on

So - no more comments to this subject Frase

	29-12-2000 01:00									#23
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Yeah I think thats about right.

I'm 20, A software developer in C/C++/Visual C++/Java SQL/PLSQL etc. etc.

History of gaming. Definitely. Civilization the original game. Civ 2 for a while. Civ CTP now. Apart from it, Duke 3d, AOE, AOK, etc. etc.

I still remember how much I loved civilization 1 and how many months I lost to it. *sigh* sid Mier is a true genius.

Single , have no life and I spend 12 hours a day on average (literally!) in front of a computer. Its work, play and everything else! .

	29-12-2000 01:10									#24
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In DC the PDRI and PDRE may not have formed a Union with the 'male' partner happy to fill the role of a mere 'provincial Governor' but we act in accord with the 'Southampton Pact' and we both watch eachother's bums!

My friend's and Ally's, The Romans, have rendered me many a service in 'Lungs Fast' and I owe them a great debt, which I hope to be able to live long enough to repay. When threatened by the 'Lovely Lady' herself Birdman has offerred me his full support just as I have him in DC.

Whatever people may say about not carrying things from one Game to another is utter trash. We play the same people and we learn how they play, how their mind works, what their likely next move is and most importantly who we can trust. Each Game is different and we find strange friends but experience tells you just how far you can rely upon that friendship. Need is the key and though in DC I am the Protector I still need Birdman just as much as I need him as the Protected in Fast.

Remember King Thor that the PG, whatever the 'Ratings' may say, means very little when it comes down to brute force!

	29-12-2000 01:22									#25
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LOL! Jon, you are too much!
I have to hand it to you.. you're right.

I know very well about the PG not reflecting true power. Thats why I was telling BirdMan here that if it weren't for you he'd be having to worry about this "provincial governor" coming after him. Because if I used the power graph as my guide wouldn't I be using the protection provided to me by the mighty Klair to crush the English Communist Dictator??

I totally agree that no two games between the same players are unrelated. No matter how we try, we will be analyzing the playing style, looking for weaknesses, finding ourselves in similar situations etc. etc. I however think they aren't related to the extent that the same "power blocks" will form in every game with the same players. For instance, I'm cursing BirdMan in Giant bird because I have a tiny island as a starting position and its a swamp. .. I admit its not his fault really, But I just like blaming him for my troubles! , in DC again there is tension between our civs, in Conquer its a peaceful relationship, yet, in World Scenario we are allies. , and though he has helped me, and I've helped him in that game, its still not going to stop me coming after him and him messing around with me in other games. Basically what I'm saying is, that if he helps you in one game you shouldn't expect him to help you in another too...

	29-12-2000 01:46									#26
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Oh yes - that little lovely indian girl (Lung Fast).

Senator Maximus.

Don't forget the mexican diplomat! (Giant Bird).

HighPriest Ivan.

And my sister Lovebird, now married to Ramses (Franses), (Midway).

HighPriest Wiagra of India

All those girls are taking all my money - and maybe my life sooner or later

	29-12-2000 04:16									#27
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Davina Luland instead of David Luland. That is somethink I would like to hear it from him ...or her?

Man, I just remembered those two awsome games in Commodore 64 in the 80s. Theater Europe if remember I right. A turn based strategy where the units were just some dots on a map and you had to call the manufacturer or something to give you the password to launch the nuclear weapons and start a nuclear war.
And the other game where you had something between a spacecraft and aircraft, taking off from s space station and invading to Russian cities and destroy everything before they launch the nuclear weapons and hit the bigest American cities. And finaly you had to kill any enemy in the Cremlin and get the boss I think.
Great games back then. They surelly kept me many nights awaked!

	29-12-2000 04:18									#28
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Damn, double posting.

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	29-12-2000 07:08									#29
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Yeti - Jeff Camlin, 27, Single Never married. No known children. Living with an ex-stripper, (don't ask). I have a canopy waterbed with mirrors on the ceiling, (chicks dig it). See my pic above on my web link

Occupation1: Very computer literate construction manager/estimator. I recently switched jobs from Infrastructure, (you know water, sewer, streets) to building construction, (banks, big city condos, wal-marts).

Occupation2: Executive Officer for CO C 2/127th Mechanized Infantry, 32nd Iron Brigade, Wisconsin Army National Guard. The Iron Brigade has a pretty cool history since the Civil War and makes some good readin'. My email is charlie_zero_five because that's my fixed callsign,(bumper number on my track). You'd be suprised how much email an infantry xo gets these days

At Infantry Basic course, I graduated in the top 1/4 of my class, which I'm kinda proud of since 90% of the class was from West Point, (I did ROTC). I didn't go active duty cuz the pay sucks. This fall I have to take the Combined Arms course so I can make Captain and really cause some trouble.

My fav games have been, I started listing them but I'm already rambling. It extends from Atari, Intellivision, Coleco-Vision, C-64, Nintendo, and Playstation. I loved civ when it came out and my most common single player name is Nuke'Em. I'm a Trekkie of sorts and had a Starfleet Command Fleet for about a year, (then sfc2 came out lol). Boardgames of note include Civ, Ronin, Risk, GEV. I liked Steel Panthers 2 but was disappointed with the TOW modelling, (same range as tanks, can you believe it!). I'm currently reading "ATTACKS" by FM Erwin Rommel, good book.

I am also fabricating sno-skids for my RC airplane because THERE'S 4 FEET OF SNOW HERE!:O

I like everybody here because there is not alot of kids flaming and swearing about their angst every other post, and yes I don't have much of a social life. I get to blow stuff up/destroy/shoot things/crush people under my mighty boot on weekends sometimes so that is fun.
I went to the Bahamas last year tho, and that was cool.

As everybody knows in the Monkey games I like to ramble ....so that's all I have to say right now. Cool thread btw. Group Hug!

Why the namr yeti? I played Warbirds, (a mega user airplane game), and i had to pick a 4 letter callsign. I became known for my B-25 raids which people called the yeti stomp lol. And I figured charlie_zero_five would be too damn long of a name on here

Your Furry Fluffy Friend

Yeti

	30-12-2000 23:49									#30
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Interesting CV Yeti
I've been in the army too. In Greece it is obligatory for any Greek male citizen to go to the army for 15-24 months. I have served in the 35th commando battalion (stationed at Cyprus) between 1993-1994 at the age of 18-19 with the rank of sergeant.


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