18-09-2002 08:34									#31
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I heard somewhere that each side of the Great Pyramid is 36,525 inches, which corresponds to the fact that there are 365.25 days in an average year, something the Egyptians could not have known. Any truth to that?

	18-09-2002 08:44									#32
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DF:

http://www.metrum.org/measures/dimensions.htm

The sides are just over 9000 inches in length (though they are not even). Or did you mean in area?

	18-09-2002 08:47									#33
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I can't remember what I meant...I'd have to dig around to see where I found that...

	18-09-2002 11:05									#34
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quote: Originally posted by David Floyd I heard somewhere that each side of the Great Pyramid is 36,525 inches, which corresponds to the fact that there are 365.25 days in an average year, something the Egyptians could not have known. Any truth to that?

Why would the Egytians or any Aliens use something as stupid as inches?

I am sure that if a person tries hard enough they might find deep significance by measuring the volume of Cheops in farquarts and then dividing by fortnights and if that didn't work they might try dividing by millimeters or Silisean yards on the off chance that they could claim the resulting number was mentioned in an obsure passage of Nostradamus or in the margins of book that Edgar Cayce once looked at.

	18-09-2002 11:28									#35
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Tsk, tsk. Don't you folks watch "Stargate SG-1"? Obviously not. **sigh** OK, here we go: The pyramids are mere *parts* of massive Go'auld starships that literally land *on* the pyramids and incorporate them into the starship's structure. The ship then lifts off, with the pyramid acting as its core. So, therefore, the pyramids are obviously of alien manufacture.

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(Do I really need a smilie of sorts to go with this to convey my intentions?)

	18-09-2002 12:03									#36
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quote: Even without wheels or pulleys, they had the means, just so long as they had the labor, which they clearly had. It was very hard labor, but not mysterious.

but people hve tried to recreate it with smaller pyramids, and their conclusion was that it was impossible to build the pyramid in such a short amount of time. Although i can't remember how many people they used or it...

quote: Serious egyptology has nothing to do with scifi.

who mentions scifi?
And like Rah mentioned, serious Egyptology is also just speculation.
The fact that the pyramids are lined up in a constellation that existed in that form in 10000 BC can't just be waved away because some scifi lunatic noticed it.

	18-09-2002 13:16									#37
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But they aren't lined up in a constellation at all...they just sort of look that way. If it was done to match Orion, then they didn't do a very accurate job for a race that is often touted as extremely accurate. In addition the pyramids aren't laid out correctly...if you were to look up at Orion from the great pyramid the other two pyramids would not be aligned with the other two stars...they are a mirror image (at best).

	18-09-2002 13:42									#38
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quote: But they aren't lined up in a constellation at all...they just sort of look that way. If it was done to match Orion, then they didn't do a very accurate job for a race that is often touted as extremely accurate. In addition the pyramids aren't laid out correctly...if you were to look up at Orion from the great pyramid the other two pyramids would not be aligned with the other two stars...they are a mirror image (at best).

you got a link for that?
I thought they were pretty accurate , along with other monuments around the world that resemble constellations.

	18-09-2002 14:02									#39
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This probably covers most of it:
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/home...burg/mainor.htm

As for other areas?
You shouldn't read too much Hancock...it's bad for your health.


His stuff for Ankor Wat is particularly selective when it comes to aligning sites with the stars.

	18-09-2002 14:41									#40
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quote: Boris: And we know exactly how they built the pyramids

nononono, don't let them fake you my friend,
we never can know EXACTLY how they build them, we were not there! We have pretty good ideas how they build them. But they might be all wrong

	18-09-2002 16:04									#41
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quote: Originally posted by David Floyd I can't remember what I meant...I'd have to dig around to see where I found that...

That's sig material David...

*resisting temptation*

	18-09-2002 16:58									#42
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Hehe, thanks Toll, i have seen his (Bauvals) grand show twice already, but i never could find out myself why he shouldn't be right... after reading it all becomes clear though... but idd, like Marec said 50 years ago (i bet none of you know the guy) you can always find something odd if you just look long enough, the world is filled with coincidences, so always be critical to what you discover...


btw i've watched the show last night... i hope that's not a good example of American documentaries , it was pretty silly, especially the 2 announcers, that guy asking Zahi if it really wasn't slave labour (oh boy, i know that for years and years already... it's just a story they teach ya at school or something), no i found the man very annoying, and he had nothing interesting to say anyway, on top of that he tried to act dramatic and he wanted to seem very interested, but compare the clown to Zahi and you'll see who was really excited

I say next time don't do this **** LIVE, first make sure ya have something worthwhile to say because this was so stupid, Zahi somewhat made it a bit interesting though..


later on that evening (after the 'supercrocs' (who invents those names ffs!)) you could see a programme about Thera, a place where minoan culture thrived until it was completely wiped out by a volcano - the city and streets were very well preserved, a bit like Pompeii

anyway that show was british, and i noticed the difference , the explanations were always just a bit more complicated

	18-09-2002 19:04									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Lemmy quote: Even without wheels or pulleys, they had the means, just so long as they had the labor, which they clearly had. It was very hard labor, but not mysterious. but people hve tried to recreate it with smaller pyramids, and their conclusion was that it was impossible to build the pyramid in such a short amount of time. Although i can't remember how many people they used or it...

Source?

This is what I read:

"In 1995, a group of scientists and engineers built a replica 1/10 the size of the Great Pyramid. They only used primitive tools and several hundred Egyptian volunteers. The project was completed after 3 weeks. So biggest problem they faced was not moving heavy stones and carrying them up the pyramid, but how to setting the headstone of the pyramid"

We know all of the generalities of how they made the pyramids, and it was perfectly feasible considering the labor pool they had to draw upon during the flooding season. THere are details we don't know, such as the exact nautre of the ramps used, but we have good guesses and they are well within the realm of the feasible:

"But whatever the configuration of the ramps, the fact remains that the Egyptians successfully completed the most massive building projects in all of history. There is nothing magical or supernatural in the means by which they achieved their goals. By all indications, they retained their knowledge of construction throughout their history, but they were limited after the Fourth Dynasty not by the lack of technology but rather by the lack of the abundant resources that were previously available. More than two thousand years later, the Romans would move huge stones, some weighing nearly 1,000 tons, using similar techniques at Baalbek."

It's not magical, it's not supernatural, it's not alien technology. They are just big f*ckin' tombs built by old-fashioned human labor.

	18-09-2002 21:42									#44
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quote: It's not magical, it's not supernatural, it's not alien technology.

i didn't claim they are, and don't think they are either, i just feel that current theories don't fit all the facts, and that it might be wise to look at other theories that do explain those facts, but it does seem i was misinformed about that recreation project.

	18-09-2002 21:55									#45
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ok, i just read the link Tolls gave, and it cleared a lot of stuff up

now, what do you guys think about this then
http://www.sacredsites.com/final40/261.html
about the age of the sphinx, and mainly about the erosion part, that seems like solid evidence, not?

	18-09-2002 22:14									#46
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That Sphinx thing is still a matter of some debate, IIRC. Geologists themselves are split over how that erosion pattern came to pass; most evidence points to water, but that doesn't necessarily mean that it had to be rainwater. And if it were rainwater, it could mean that an older tribe hollowed out the Sphinx enclosure and built a big effin' statue of something, and then the Egyptians remodeled it into what we see today.

The Egyptologists have a very valid point when they say that there is no concrete evidence of an older civilization building those monuments; that can't just be shrugged off. Such a civilization should have left behind something tangible. Perhaps we haven't found it yet. More likely, they never existed. We'll probably never know for sure...



...as for the ramps used to build the Pyramids... don't get me wrong, I'm not one of these folks who worship Hancock or think the aliens or the Atlanteans built it or anything, but those ramps themselves would have been a massive undertaking, nearly equal to the Pyramids themselves. For the incline to be small enough to permit movement of the blocks, the ramp would probably need to be miles long. Impressive, that. I'd love to see how it was accomplished.

	18-09-2002 22:40									#47
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quote: Such a civilization should have left behind something tangible.

a big effin' statue maybe

	19-09-2002 00:58									#48
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Hmm. What's behind the 2nd door?

	19-09-2002 02:29									#49
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This was a really BORING story.

Saw it on tv yesterday. Made a small hole in the wall just to find another wall! Call it doors if you want to... Whatever.

NEXT YEAR they're gonna drill another hole in the other door.

Great progress!

	19-09-2002 02:43									#50
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quote: Originally posted by Faeelin Hmm. What's behind the 2nd door?

It's probably not a door but the backside of the outer blocks. Behind it are the outskirts of Cairo.

	19-09-2002 02:55									#51
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probably a 3rd stone, they showed something about another pyramids shaft, that had 3 stones, maybe there are 3 stones at Gizeh also.

	19-09-2002 13:05									#52
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For the sphinx erosion stuff, the alternative to it being the only relic of a lost civilisation is that the erosion was caused by crystals (I can't remember the term for this).

Here's a PDF that gives a brief description...

http://www.antiquityofman.com/Gould.pdf

the photos embedded from underneath the plateau are rubbish so here's an enhancement...

http://www.antiquityofman.com/sphinx_gould_brass.html

In essence there is no need for it to be dated to 5-7k BC.

	20-09-2002 03:25									#53
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quote: Everyone is now saying that it is a great achievement of the Egyptians, but in fact have no idea how they actually managed to build it. There are also theories that they were built by an more ancient and more advanced civilization before the Egyptians, wouldn't claiming the Pyramids for the Egyptians be insulting to them to?

In fact, Polish engineer discovered recently (two years ago) the secret. He was inspired by Herodot's note that Egyptians were using light wooden constructions, and by the shape of "tsi" word of Egyptian hieroglips, which means to lift. As the theory of the ramps can't be true when it comes to the upper parts (straight ones would have to be 3km long for example, and would require such a lot of materials that could be done wothing with, and the ramp surrounding a Pyramidisn't probable too, as there's no possibility of leading the blocks on edges of Pyramids, especially on higher levels; the building of teh ramps would be very hard too). Anyway, He reconstructed the machine which tsi verb was showing, and it worked - the construction is itself extremly simple, and require not all that big work as it is shown on the films where hungreds of slaves are pulling one stone block. He says that three men are enough on one stone block. There's just one trick in that construction. Would You like me to post here an image of this construction? I'll do it tomorrow, when I'll scan it.

	20-09-2002 12:48									#54
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"Would You like me to post here an image of this construction?"

Yes please...

Is his name Kolataj?

	20-09-2002 14:26									#55
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Yes.

	20-09-2002 14:52									#56
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I'm looking at the right bloke, then.
Only web thing is as a speaker at an Egyptology convention, at least as far as tsi is concerned.

Oh well...have to wait for your picture.

	21-09-2002 02:49									#57
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Here is the pic
It doesn't look too good, I'll try to correct it.

Attachment: egi2.gif
This has been downloaded 12 time(s).

	21-09-2002 05:26									#58
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Hmm ... I read a report that indicated some folks thought that the Sphinx was carved out of a pre-existing rock formation. Thus the erosion we see was indeed caused by water from a period when Egypt was wetter and more fertile ... but the Sphinx had yet to be built.

IOW, the erosion was already present when the actual carving of the Sphinx began.

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	21-09-2002 06:36									#59
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Hmmm I remember reading about this in a book by a guy called Erich Von Daniken (might be spelt wrong) who was a bit way out with his ideas, but he mentioned this 4 or so years ago and how the egyptians were blocking further investigation. He claimed it was because it would reveal how the pyramids were built and other knowledge, which for those who know VD will know consist of claiming that they were built or designed by Aliens.

I personally think it was humans, and we do a great diservice to the Mayan and Egyptians to suggest otherwise. Everyday new evidence comes to light suggesting that ancient and medieval civs were more advanced than we ever thought. It is clear the egyptians and mayans had a excellent grasp of astronomy, maths and science to build them whatever way they did them.

	21-09-2002 08:28									#60
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The problem with that, Gatekeeper, is that the alleged water erosion is not confined to the body of the Spinhx, but also on the walls of the Sphinx "enclosure", which was hollowed out by (presumably) the Egyptians. So, we're back to having to deal with water erosion post-carving (or, at the very least, post-excavation).