19-09-2002 00:13									#1
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~Grins~ First time posting on the OT forum. ~bows~

OK. What gives? Are we Americans that bad? Why is there so much American bashing going on? Can't anybody say anything nice about us? ~Grins~ Yes, the USA does meddle a lot, but I personally think that without our tax dollars or assistance, the world would be a poorer place? Would the bashers want us to pull back into ourselves and become isolationists again? ~WEG~ If so, I am sure that the tax dollars & support could be very useful here. ~Winks~
Ok, flame away!

Thanks for responding.
Kevin

	19-09-2002 00:15									#2
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DL!

	19-09-2002 00:15									#3
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quote: Why do so many people bash the USA?

Maybe it's because they don't like us...

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quote: Thanks for responding. Kevin

I think he may be Jon Miller's DL.

	19-09-2002 00:28									#4
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Why do people bash USA?
Well, you're the best target, really. The most powerful nation of earth. It's much more fun to bash you than... Switzerland, or Hungary, for example.

...and besides, you suck

	19-09-2002 00:31									#5
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"Yes, the USA does meddle a lot, but I personally think that without our tax dollars or assistance, the world would be a poorer place?"

Too bad they arenīt exactly "assistance" but rather they are loans which are now used to extort poor countries.
If you really want to assist poor countries, then banish your trade barriers and stop subsidizing agricultural producers. Stop being hypocritical about "free trade"!!

	19-09-2002 00:33									#6
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I'm getting sick of these threads now.


Oh, and DL!

	19-09-2002 00:34									#7
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Ohhhh no, Flare! You see....it's perfectly acceptable for folks in other countries to keep their hands out for that dollar (erm...make that tens and hundreds of MILLIONS of dollars) while bashing the USofA in the same breath. If *we* bash tho, we're being unsensitive and egalitarian, or....just plain red-necky, depending on who you talk to. They like takin' that money, but they want it with no strings....a gift, cos, you know, they're so much better than we are....we should be *grateful* that they worked so hard to build our nation up to the point that it is.

But there's no double standard in place or anything....

-=Vel=-

	19-09-2002 00:35									#8
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quote: Originally posted by alofatti Too bad they arenīt exactly "assistance" but rather they are loans which are now used to extort poor countries.

I'm getting sick of Argentina blaming others for thier own incompetence.

	19-09-2002 00:35									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Velociryx Ohhhh no, Flare! You see....it's perfectly acceptable for folks in other countries to keep their hands out for that dollar (erm...make that tens and hundreds of MILLIONS of dollars) while bashing the USofA in the same breath. If *we* bash tho, we're being unsensitive and egalitarian, or....just plain red-necky, depending on who you talk to. They like takin' that money, but they want it with no strings....a gift, cos, you know, they're so much better than we are....we should be *grateful* that they worked so hard to build our nation up to the point that it is. But there's no double standard in place or anything.... -=Vel=-

But the mods are on your side

	19-09-2002 00:37									#10
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Hey now....I took the "America sucks" position in another thread....must have balance...

-=Vel=-

	19-09-2002 00:45									#11
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When the people here stop bashing America it will be time to worry. Envy is 98% of it.

Vel, you have been so crazily bashing America yourself that I am having a hard time counting your opinion seriously. Without proof you feed the fire of these wild conspiracies. What you smoking up there?

	19-09-2002 00:48									#12
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quote: Originally posted by jimmytrick When the people here stop bashing America it will be time to worry. Envy is 98% of it. Vel, you have been so crazily bashing America yourself that I am having a hard time counting your opinion seriously. Without proof you feed the fire of these wild conspiracies. What you smoking up there?

Coming from YOU?!

	19-09-2002 00:48									#13
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No worries JT....I promise I won't smoke anything tooooo noteworthy without inviting you to join in!

Ahhh....mostly it amounts to letting off creative steam....I've been bottled up for an extended period, workin' on Candle'Bre stuff....just had to break out for a while....

-=Vel=-

EDIT: Hmmm....we're due to head to Saluda again soon for a weekend jam in the mountains....cookout, smokin' on the deck.....yeah....

	19-09-2002 00:49									#14
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No-one on these forums bashes the US. They just make constructive criticism about the US govt.

The only problem is that the Americans on these boards don't take criticism well.....

	19-09-2002 00:50									#15
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For the same reasons we (the US) bash the French....

	19-09-2002 00:52									#16
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*G* We don't bash the French, GePap....we merely offer constructive criticism about their (and other European) governments.

Turns out tho, that the Euros aren't much better at taking criticism than we are....

-=Vel=-

	19-09-2002 00:54									#17
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Personally it's because I live here, so I can see all the BS firsthand. They say "walk a mile ...", and I have, and AFAIAC U.S. bashing is fully justified.

	19-09-2002 01:06									#18
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Fitz, you are welcome to leave the country any time you want.

	19-09-2002 01:07									#19
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Jimmy, the only reason I continue to have to bash it is that people like you haven't left yet.

Edit: To be less insulting and more serious, I prefer to fix (or in the case of a forum ***** about) problems rather than run away from them.

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	19-09-2002 01:09									#20
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quote: Originally posted by GePap For the same reasons we (the US) bash the French....

Are you implying that Americans are unreliable allies who chicken out of every fight they can?

Well, if you say so.

	19-09-2002 01:12									#21
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People are stupid. They watch our TV, listen to our music, buy our stuff and look like us. Bash us in the same breath....they assume thats how we are. Which is utter BS. The Europeans would condemn us for our Morals yet they are without a doubt the most immoral people on earth.

Then ask them if they would like to live in america.

"Please take me with you"


In conclusion. There are alot of Reject-hippie f@gs who dont like us for one reason or another and like to use us a scapegoats. If crops dont grow in country X then it must be america's fault...surely!

On the flip side I actually enjoy being part of the great satan. You see they talk alot of ****. But when you actually go to places in Europe and Japan everybody is talking to you and you suddenly become the center of attention. Its like why? Im just american folks! What makes me unique? Nothing...nada.Im not unique at all. For some reason others think I am. The girls in countries ive been to have 17 million questions to ask about america in broken english.

They say our girls are whores and stuff. Our women are the hardest to get anywhere ive ever been. In france if you have hung out with a girl for 6 hours or more your gaurunteed to get some! Its a given.

	19-09-2002 01:14									#22
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quote: Originally posted by jimmytrick Fitz, you are welcome to leave the country any time you want.

Its always the ones who give this country a bad name who are the first to say this.

	19-09-2002 01:17									#23
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quote: Originally posted by leftover_crack There are alot of Reject-hippie f@gs who dont like us for one reason or another and like to use us a scapegoats.

And you wonder why people don't like the US.


I don't know many Europeans who would use the phrase "Reject-hippie f@gs"

	19-09-2002 01:17									#24
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quote: Originally posted by leftover_crack There are alot of Reject-hippie f@gs who dont like us for one reason or another and like to use us a scapegoats.

Spoken like a true american patriot. Also known as a hyper-conservative that hasn't learned to think for himself yet.

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ahh hippies. And you see why we dont like Europe? We are somehow automatically labeled Hypo-conservatives or evil Fascists. Which is funny cause im a libertarian and voted for Browne


HIPPIES!

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Alofatti:

Nobody is forcing anybody to accept American loans.

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I think it could be because the European countries have been working for 1000s of years to build themselves up to their current position, only to see the USA become that most prominet nation after only half a millenia of existence.

It's kind of like a real-life analogy I like to use. I am a golfer. I have been playing for about 3-4 years, and can still only get the ball to around 150 yards with a driver. Then, one of my friends (a girl, no less. Not stereotyping, but generally men DO hit further than women) plays for the first time and gets the ball something like over 200 yards, and repeatedly. It makes it seem like all of my hard work, practice, and experiance are worthless, and I should give up now while I'm still somewhat ahead. It's just a feeling of frustration and uselessness (or something like it).

I'm just waiting for another one of my friends to pick up a piano for the first time and play the third movement of moonlight sonata without error, dynamics and all, a tempo .

	19-09-2002 01:26									#28
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"I don't know many Europeans who would use the phrase "Reject-hippie f@gs"


Just a misunderstanding.

Fag in straight america does NOT mean gay. But loser..Backwards..a general derogatory remark. Its been like that for 20 years.

Thats why only americans say things like "This is gay" or "Person X is a fag"

and its not that we dont like fags or anything. Just 99% of us wouldnt say those things around them.

	19-09-2002 01:26									#29
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quote: Originally posted by Fitz Why do so many people bash the USA?

Mainly because of the American government and its actions.

And how the people are ignorant, blindly following the government. And their arrogence. One example:

quote: There are alot of Reject-hippie f@gs who dont like us for one reason or another and like to use us a scapegoats.

	19-09-2002 01:29									#30
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Ehhh, I'm sick of this back and forth crap about America, but hell, I've got nothing better to do.

It's not America's practices. It's a powerful nation. Of course, its going to exert itself on other people. What's wrong with America is the self-righteous and the absolute denial of any wrong-doing that is the problem.

If America just fessed up to the fact that its not doing anything different than any other empire, then I personally wouldn't have any beef.