22-09-2002 15:33									#31
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Another way to know that the Persian have iron : they have the pikeman. SMC : be carefull !!

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	22-09-2002 15:46									#32
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Pikemen?
Great...

Alright gentlemen, we have no choice but to BLIIIIIIIITZ!!!!!!

	22-09-2002 16:40									#33
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Shiber, could you post the game you played where you were able to trade away your only resourse?

Its not that I don't believe you... ok, it is but I remember reading somewhere in the rule book that said you couldn't.

	22-09-2002 17:03									#34
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Hmm. Remember way back when? In 190BC, we had a Warrior near Antioch just as we declared war on Persia, at the start of my term. Here we can see English workers labouring away. It has got to be certain that they succeeded in building a road to Antioch from Coventry a long time ago. Persia HAS a trade route with England, for sure, and this is likely to be where it is.


And we can't let Persia having Iron faze us. We have come too far now to turn back. They will be shattered internally and we have them on the run. And we certainly can't let them rebuild, so they can properly use Immortals. It is time to push on irregardless (I love that little piece of American linguistic insanity ), and if we have our armies smashed and are facing a huge Persian counterattack, IF this happens we may make peace. Not when we have victory almost within sight!

	22-09-2002 17:44									#35
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quote: Originally posted by donegeal Shiber, could you post the game you played where you were able to trade away your only resourse? Its not that I don't believe you... ok, it is but I remember reading somewhere in the rule book that said you couldn't.

It's a save of a game in a huge map in the late modern age, so naturally it's a large file.
Just use any old save of our game and try it out for yourself.

	22-09-2002 19:12									#36
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quote: Originally posted by Shiber It's a save of a game in a huge map in the late modern age, so naturally it's a large file. Just use any old save of our game and try it out for yourself.

I have always beleaved that Intelligence has always been the key to victory. The main thing is that we are now PREPARED for the possibility of encountering Immortals, whereas before we weren't. The people who need to know have been informed, that is the best thing to saving our fighting soldgers lives.

Long live the Banana!

	22-09-2002 19:16									#37
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quote: Originally posted by E_T I have always beleaved that Intelligence has always been the key to victory. The main thing is that we are now PREPARED for the possibility of encountering Immortals, whereas before we weren't. The people who need to know have been informed, that is the best thing to saving our fighting soldgers lives. Long live the Banana!

Thanks for that, E_T... and this make me think about an official Intelligence Agency for the next term. Maybe in this term, as a deputy.

	22-09-2002 21:54									#38
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Let's not get too afraid of Persia yet... We're not yet sure of how many immortals and pikers they have built.

BUT if the war does end up turning over agst us. We should have a backup peace plan. We dont wanna end up ruining economy and paying tributes just because of our blind bloddlust for persian corpses.

	22-09-2002 22:11									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Calc II Let's not get too afraid of Persia yet... We're not yet sure of how many immortals and pikers they have built. BUT if the war does end up turning over agst us. We should have a backup peace plan. We dont wanna end up ruining economy and paying tributes just because of our blind bloddlust for persian corpses.

There is nothing more stupid than going to war with a big civ, without knowledge about the enemy forces and how to smack them up...

	22-09-2002 22:12									#40
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Chariots vs. pikemen? Whats the stupid plan here?

	22-09-2002 23:16									#41
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hi ,

we only have a few options now , we should try to get a peacedeal , ......

we shall be back , ....

have a nice day

	23-09-2002 02:05									#42
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quote: Originally posted by ThePlagueRat Chariots vs. pikemen? Whats the stupid plan here?

we have knights

quote: There is nothing more stupid than going to war with a big civ, without knowledge about the enemy forces and how to smack them up...

We are if not larger, twice as big as persia, but they have more developed city.

	23-09-2002 02:10									#43
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	23-09-2002 02:19									#44
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I wish I'd seen that message before it was edited.

	23-09-2002 10:21									#45
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Persia with Iron can be scary, but remember, they are in an internal struggle due to war weariness. Cities shut down... Research comes to an almost stand still. The empire collapses on itself. And the only way for them to break free from all this is by begging us for release. We have Xerse by the balls!

	23-09-2002 10:50									#46
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Did we seen any Immortals in the previous chat? Please let us know if these guys show up.

--Togas

	23-09-2002 14:32									#47
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No immortals were spotted during the turnchat. The only Persian units spotted the entire time were archers and spearmen.

	23-09-2002 15:21									#48
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They have at least one immortal and at least one pikeman according to the foreign advisor.

	23-09-2002 15:40									#49
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Shiber,
Does the Foreign Advisor's only talk about units that they've built as their best units? I thought it showed any units they could build... I might be wrong, though -- I'd always assumed it was could build, but never actually thought about it or ran a test on it.

-- adaMada

	23-09-2002 16:20									#50
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No, it only shows units they've built.
As evidence of that, before the recent turnchat the foreign advisor said that the Persians have the pikeman but he didn't say anything about immortals. Now however, he does.

	23-09-2002 17:17									#51
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Shiber,
Ok. I'll take your word on it .

We should take the Pyramids fast --- if we have to stop this war in the near future, we'd still be accomplishing our major objectives.

-- adaMada

	23-09-2002 17:33									#52
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I second what adaMada says.

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	23-09-2002 17:56									#53
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I third that.

	23-09-2002 17:59									#54
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I fourth that!

	23-09-2002 20:22									#55
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Sounds good.

E_T

	23-09-2002 21:04									#56
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quote: Originally posted by Calc II we have knights We are if not larger, twice as big as persia, but they have more developed city.

Ok, then we'll probably beat the ~&#$ out of them.

Hmm...
If it's done quickly, we can enjoy peace and prosperity sooner.

	23-09-2002 22:47									#57
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I haven't heard anything yet that should result in us changing the plans of Conquest for the Persian heartland.

If anything needs to be done, build more Knights and less civic improvements so the war doesn't bog down.

	24-09-2002 05:08									#58
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And now for the good news and the bad news... (mostly good)

Good News... Our recent victory in Pasagarde makes it easy for us to cut trade route from Arbela (Persian City that has only trade route w/ English.) With main empire cut off from iron source we probably won't encounter more than 4-5 immortals at most even if they try rush building.

Bad News: First of all as you can figure out by now, Arbela still will be able to build Immortals. But the city doesnt seem to have major production power. populace of 5 with mainly grassland that are mined and 3 silks. One city alone will not upkeep enough immortals to endanger our campaign IMO.

Second, Within antioch territoy is a source of iron that has not been connected yet. But we don't have to worry about that either since antioch is almost surrounded with only one trade route linking main empire (which can also be cut off at the same time arbela is cut off).

And to end the whole unsolved mystery, it is the english who is supplying the iron, since they must be not needing them. Persia has connection to English and in the recent save, is the only trade partner to Persia.

	24-09-2002 05:21									#59
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We need to figure out where the Iron is coming from to block it. Has anyone used Cntrl Shift M to see the uncluttered map and compare Iron sources within Persian territory?

You can trade away your last/only source of any resource; I have done it several times myself. I doubt the AI would be willing to do the same thing, though.

Also, my understanding is that Anarchy is a random number instead of a specific number, lasting 4-8 turns IIRC. At least, the games I have played, the number of turns varied, even within the same game.

	24-09-2002 06:08									#60
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england probably doesnt have much use of iron... although if you EVER try to put their only resource on the trade table, your advisor says "They will never accpet this deal" which indicates its quite impossible to make a trade. Like cities for example, no matter how insignificant, its always "they will never"... but You can get cities in certain circumstance so I don't see why not Persia persuaded England to cough up iron, especially if England isn't active militarily and Persia offered a too-good-to-pass-up deal.