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zulu9812
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of Scotland
Jan 2002
time: 05:22
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I've always thought of myself as a supporter of Firaxis when it comes to Civ3. Many times I've leaped to their defense when the like of Coracle were having a go at them. But I'm beginning to think he might be right. This is why:
Firaxis - For lying to us. Promised us multi-player in the box. Didn't get it. Promised us multi-player as a patch in March. Didn't get it. Promised us scenario creating in PTW. Not getting it.
Infogrames - For not providing international support. They think it's fine to release the beta that was Civ3 in Germany, but they don't think it's fine to provide much needed updates there. Or indeed, other countries.
Civ3 - For not having scenarios. And as far as PTW goes what's the point of having WW2 units when we can only create a WW2 scenario where Germany might go to war?
Apologies if this sounds like Coracle, but I'm rather upset right now. And I bet the aircraft range is still hard-coded to a max of 8.
Last edited by zulu9812 on 22-09-2002 at 01:17
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WarpStorm
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Right down the road
Nov 2001
time: 00:22
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First off, why do you believe what any software developer says months and months ahead of time? In every software product I've heard of, either features get cut or the product is delayed. It's just the way it goes. Deal with it.
Don't buy PTW, if it isn't what you want. If you end up buying it knowing what you know now, it's your own fault if you are unhappy with it. You now know what it's going to be like. You can make an informed decision.
To end this on a good note, all bombard ranges can be editted.
Oh, BTW, Mike, Barry, Soren, I still like you guys. You're great. I was speaking about software developers in general.
Last edited by WarpStorm on 22-09-2002 at 01:52
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Sheik
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The scenario thing bugs me the most. Otherwise I haven't felt the effects of some of the other things you have mentioned because I live in the US. I hope that updates continue after PTW is released and we get some of things that we want.
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Ethelred
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Originally posted by zulu9812
I've always thought of myself as a supporter of Firaxis when it comes to Civ3. Many times I've leaped to their defense when the like of Coracle were having a go at them. But I'm beginning to think he might be right. This is why: |
Well actually its because you have been listening to Coracles mostly false claims. Considering how much help you have given others its odd that you are going along with it.
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Firaxis - For lying to us. Promised us multi-player in the box. Didn't get it. Promised us multi-player as a patch in March. Didn't get it. Promised us scenario creating in PTW. Not getting it. |
I have seen that claim about multiplayer many times. Not just from Coracle. NO ONE HAS EVER SHOWN these alleged promises. Especially not Coracle. That they hoped to get those things seemed clear. That a lot of fans managed to convince themselves that it was actually promised is also clear.
I KNOW they never promised multiplayer in a patch. They evaded the question or ignored it every single time it came up. They said they didn't want to even mention things that they would to do because of this sort of fanatasy that if someting is mentioned in passing that somehow that magicaly becomes an iron clad binding promise. I don't blame Firaxis at all for clamming up after all this garbage that has been thrown at them for promises they never made.
As for scenarios they seem to be going have them in PTW. Maybe not with all the bells and wistles you want. The fact is scenarios are presently possible. Not the kind of purely war game scenarios that were available in Civ II eventually but scenarios nontheless.
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Infogrames - For not providing international support. They think it's fine to release the beta that was Civ3 in Germany, but they don't think it's fine to provide much needed updates there. Or indeed, other countries. |
Well that one sure does suck. I have no respect for them at all. One more reason the French deserve to be pink in Civ III. Puke green brown with yellow highlights would be OK too.
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Civ3 - For not having scenarios. And as far as PTW goes what's the point of having WW2 units when we can only create a WW2 scenario where Germany might go to war? |
Go play a war game. This is Civ. I never understood the desire to force fit Civ II into pretending its a grognard game. It was not fit for the job and no amount of tinkering was going to do it.
At least you can have flat maps in PTW. Doughnuts too if you feel the need.
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Apologies if this sounds like Coracle, but I'm rather upset right now. And I bet the aircraft range is still hard-coded to a max of 8. |
Yes you sound like Coracle. He too managed to get some of his complaints right.
No one is denying that InFROGames messed things up. French companies came into the US bought up a bunch of game houses and they have done little right by the fans from what I can see. Maybe it was mostly bad timing as the market went down. However considering the paucity of top notch PC games from France I would have to think the economy had less to do with than the French companies did.
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22-09-2002 01:12
), I don't see myself buying PtW anymore. I would have gotten it for a perfect new scenario editor, but I don't have the time to play MP anymore, and new civs/graphics are something to be sneezed at, IMHO. 
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