23-09-2002 09:36									#1
	Apolytonia.... Military or cultural victory? Full PM-box? Change here!

In your opinion, where do you see Apolytonian Empire head toward? Clearly as of now we are very militaristic and aggressive, but I just want to know What kind of empire each individual visualize and which victory each are hoping for.

	23-09-2002 09:45									#2
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After we take the Persian homeland and the Renegade Apolytonia cites known as "America", I think that a cultural victory could be possible as no more war will be needed to secure our place in the annells of History. Plus with the GA comming from the Chapel, we will be able to build our cluture up quickly.

See?? I told everyone I was a builder!

	23-09-2002 09:58									#3
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Once Pesia is destroyed, its fields burned, and people slaughtered, we should crush what is left of America and France. Once that is done we will surely be the most powerful Empire on earth giving us the ability to control the entire known world. I think Greece is a good next choice as they do not have access to iron (i think?), then Germany, then England. We will alos have to show our dominance over Rome by crushing them on the battle field.

	23-09-2002 10:04									#4
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its interesting that even DIA party is fully in support of the Persian campaign... we are very unified as of now... but when the campaign is over, the bipartisanship will show itself again

	23-09-2002 10:06									#5
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The DIA is just a bunch of pushovers.

	23-09-2002 10:59									#6
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And the Hawks can't help but admire DIA gods.

	23-09-2002 14:30									#7
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While this topic can serve as something of an interesting distraction at this point, its really rather pointless from a practical standpoint. As such, there's really no need to argue over victory conditions... we've just recently entered the Middle Ages...

As for the near unanimity concerning the continuation of the Persian War, that's extraordinarily simple. The automatically pro-war "bloodlust" folks are being augmented by the more subdued realpolitikers in unified support of a conflict which sees both violence (1) and practical gains for the empire (2).

This unanimity won't last, of course, but let's enjoy it while it does

	23-09-2002 15:44									#8
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Personally, I'd prefer diplo or space-race victory. Military or cultural victory is fine by me, though.

If we go for a cultural victory, build the Sistine now, so we get a GA, then crank out Cathedrals, Libraries (a must), a few marketplaces, and maybe some knights.

	23-09-2002 21:07									#9
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Let's be cool and go for both...

We can make a truckload of culture... once we own the entirity of our home continent...

1- Growing librarians and priests like ostriches is going to look, play and feel lamely boring.

2- The geographic society wont have any work to do if we dont conquer more cities!!

3- If we dont have a good military might we wont be able to extort our neghboors. If we build a good military, why not use it for conquest AND extortion instead of just extortion?

4- We need a friggin lot of tile improvement. We should start thinking which cities (the larger the better) can be razed for that purpose...

- More cities make more culture per turn, lets conquer more cities!

- With large military strenght, we can destroy anyone who is beating us to the cultuwin, so we can cultuwin even with little culture...

	23-09-2002 21:24									#10
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quote: [SIZE=1] Originally posted by XOR [/SIZ With large military strenght, we can destroy anyone who is beating us to the cultuwin, so we can cultuwin even with little culture...

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	23-09-2002 21:52									#11
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Cultural Victory is probably impossiable at this point. But a conquest victory would require weird behavior to ensure we don't hit domination.

The real options are Domination, Space Race, or Diplomatic. (Well, there's also Histographic victory in 2050, but to me, that's a fancy name for defeat.)

Domination could probably be achieved five turns after kicking everybody else off the mainland and us filling in the gaps by rushbuilding Temples in cities kept and building replacement cities for those razed.

For a Diplomatic victory, we would:

1. Either be in the top 2 in the power ratings (with anybody owning it) or have possesion of the UN.

2. Completely wipe out those that are hostile to us.

3. Ensure that the other candiates would be less liked than us.

For a Space Race Victory, we'll need to:

1. Catch up with the AI in techs. (Can be done militarily)

2. Be able to do our own reserach. (Would require an investment to science.)

Regardless of the path, we will need to ensure that no civ is allowed to get too much culture nor build too many parts to a space ship. (To win, you must NOT lose.)

	23-09-2002 22:05									#12
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The Stated DIA objective is Space Race Victory. Barring that, we will accept a Cultural Victory. Indeed, if you wanted to know the position of the DIA on just about any topic, ask yourself "What would bring us closer to a Space Race Victory".

	23-09-2002 22:29									#13
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I think we could rule out Diplomatic victory as well, due to the neigoation for peace deals made this past turn chat. They'll remember this if they are still around if there's a UN vote. (If we wipe them all out, we are so close to the Domination victory, that we should finish the job.)

So, we just have Domination and Space Race left as options.

Personally I would prefer a Space Race Victory. The only question is how to get there.

The shortest path to this goal might very well be:

1. Take Persian Heartland.

2. Get Persia to yield all techs for 20 turns peace.

3. Wipe out Americans.

4. In order: Temples, Catherdials, Market Places, Libaries, Banks, Universitys everywhere.