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GePap
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of the Big Apple
Nov 2001
time: 23:22
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There are many levels to Sciece fiction, from very deep, almost philosophical things, to extremely shallow progarms made for pure netertainment value. I am interested in the noble failures.
Many times, some Sci-Fi ook, or show, introduces an idea hat could be great, could bring up so many intersting intellectual ideas, or great story-lines, and instead the author or director wastes it, mangles it, and creates great crap out of it. Other times, Sci-Fi writers try to tackle complex ideas and end up making mockery, like a 3 year old trying to recreate the Mona Lisa with crayons on a napkin. So, what and which do you think have been the great wastes of the medium, where what could have been just never was?
Two simple examples: The notion of the Borg in Star Trek: great issues about the meaning of society and what ultimate values we should foster: become a simple, ant-hive enemy that the valiant individuals most fight, like in a million other stories.
The TV show Andromeda's handling of the philosophy of Frederich Nietzsche
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Ethelred
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Originally posted by BustaMike
Come on guys! I think you really missed the point. |
I got the point. The director wanted to wreck a good story so he could turn it into a poor satire. The odd thing is how many critics didn't notice that it was satire. Or that it was badly done satire.
Try listening to the director's comments. He thinks he was making an anti-US movie. I am pretty sure the screenwriter didn't write it as a satire based on his comments but he didn't seem to want to say that explicitly. I do think screenwriter didn't agree with Heinlein's ideas on only letting veterans vote. I think that what led to the Nazi stuff.
Its funny how the director seemed to think the bugs were the good guys even though their concept of diplomacy was to blast millions of innocents with a big rock instead of attacking the illegal settlement.
Besides all the fans of the books wanted to see real Mobile Infantry and not those pathetic light infantry fighters that were stuck out there without so much as a grenade launcher.
I wanna know how a species with no technology managed to get a rock to travel at greater than the speed of light.
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JohnT
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Capitalist
Mar 1999
time: 00:22
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Originally posted by Mr. President
Have you read Hyperion by Dan Simmons? I think that universe had potential, but he made the book so obtuse. |
What??? That was a wonderful book - well thought out and well-written. What was it about the Hyperion Universe that you found obtuse?
Btw, did you read the second book, Fall of Hyperion?.
Anyway, believe it or not, I was going to respond to this thread using an example from the Hyperion books (though my reply isn't a scientific inaccuracy, but a plot hole big enough to drive a truck through.)
Spoiler Box!!!
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In Hyperion, the resurrected Father Paul Dure has two cruciforms - one his, the other belonging to Father Lenar Hoyt. During the events in Fall of Hyperion, the Shrike removes Dure's cruciform, leaving only Lenar Hoyt's attached to his body... "The Shrike had granted me death without killing me."
But...
In Endymion, Lenar Hoyt is Pope to a re-vitalized Catholic Church, one that controls the Human (non-Ouster) universe with an iron grip. Hoyt dies and Father Dure is resurrected, killed immediately, and then Hoyt is resurrected.
There is no explanation as to how Dure's cruciform magically reappeared on his body, especially since the Shrike dumped it in outer space during FoH.
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