25-09-2002 19:31									#1
	I want my Vassals! Support Apolyton, buy Call to Power 2

Well I'm a newbie in EU II.
I'm starting the Great Campaign with the Duchy of Milan (Northern Italy), after a couple of years spent increasing the relationship with Savoy and Genoa, and after having created a new Aliiance with them (I'm the leader) I want to make them my vassals (without a war of course).
The "tutorial" states that I can Vassalize(?) if:
- I have the same religion (OK!)
- I have an alliance (OK)
- I have a royal marriage (OK)
- my relationship is +190 or above

The point is that, when I send my diplomat to increase the relationship, let's say I'm at 188, as soon as the value gets to 190 either:
- Genoa/Savoy asks me to become their Vassal and/or;
- I can't send a diplo to ask them to become my vassal (and I don't know why).

Other infos for you "old" players:
- my version is 1.04 (Italian patch is not yet existing...)
- I wait the 1 month period of time before sending another diplo (and, yes I have another diplo....)


???? What do I miss???

(I can vassalize as result of a peace treaty without any problem......)

	25-09-2002 20:26									#2
	Support Apolyton, buy Alpha Centauri

You have to be a much bigger nation both economically and militarily, else they would just "laugh" at you.

	26-09-2002 15:34									#3
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization 2

quote: Originally posted by Sagacious Dolphin You have to be a much bigger nation both economically and militarily, else they would just "laugh" at you.

...abd since they ask YOU to become THEIR vassal I bet they are bigger than you

Try keeping the relation with them while expanding a bit - take Modena, Mantua etc. Soon you will be the big boy in the alliance, then they will come to you for protection

	27-09-2002 17:18									#4
	Again! Monet & Tax Issues! Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations

It makes sense, I had a similar idea you confirmed.... => I'm now happy

Now, second question:

Tax and Money Issue:
how is calculated the annual amount received on the 1st Jan? Does it depend on the "level" of the monthly income allocated in the treasury?
And, above all, how much d you suggest to put in the monarch's (always empty) pocket instead to feed the scientists?

... awaiting for your enlightening answers...

	27-09-2002 18:47									#5
	Remove this text

I suggest you to go the the www.europa-universalis.com forums there are a lot of people there.

I find many answers to my problems.

PS: In my current game as Savoy I just vassalized Helvetia, Milan and Genoa
But I use the American version 1.05

	07-10-2002 00:10									#6
	Support Apolyton, buy GURPS/ Alpha Centauri

How big is your nation? Only one or two sections? or more?